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 ImGoneByTheDown (original poster member #49935) posted at 5:32 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

tomuchdrama

Thanks to all of your posts, I can relate to so many aspects of what you've written. What was so striking is what you've described about having sex with your wife. In my case although my wife is desperate for having sex and even in her age is very attractive, I just can't have sex with her and since dday we haven't touch each other.

You said you saw your wife as a another man's wife? In my case it's worse, because for me it is like sleeping with a whore and I'm just disgusted with it. I am sorry if this was offending. Once again, only talking about myself and my own situation. I even can't bring myself to sleep with her.

I don't know how it is with other men, there's a lot of myths in that department, but to have and to enjoy sex, even if you know just sex, I need that emotional conection to the woman. This is just out of the window. So, this is another reason why I think divorce is mandatory for me. I have no desire to have sex with a woman without that connection, whether it's "love making" or "just sex" and think is it also unfair to have sex with her with that kind of attitude in mind.

[This message edited by ImGoneByTheDown at 11:36 AM, October 18th (Sunday)]

ME: BH
Her: Remorseful STBXWW

And there I'll sit, and I'll admit
That I was only just a guest inside my skin
And by the dawn, I'll be gone
And I won't be holding on to anything again -
I'm just letting go

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gonnabe2016 ( member #34823) posted at 5:48 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

t/j

Ehmmm... I'm wondering if anyone who was pushing him away

My "btw" blurb wasn't referring to SI at all, it was directed at his initial thought of actually, physically leaving his life for a bit to go on a long trip.

end t/j

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott

In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.

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PricklePatch ( member #34041) posted at 6:28 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

Gone,

Even with my reconciliation, there are times I wish I had done the same as you. I believe if I had initially been hit with more then never nude photos of my nephews gf on a public website I would have.

Things I know are true for me

Children are damaged either way.

My child does better emotionally when there is a clear cut plan versus limbo.

That the innocence of trust before the dd can never be regained. I have a different kind of trust then now with my fwh.

I believe you should tell your children. Married people do not get bfs therefore, daddy and mommy cannot stay married.

I think you should file. If you change your mind you can cancel or remarry.

BS Fwh

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 7:41 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

no apologies needed, House. You are one of the best posters here and I respect your viewpoints always, in agreement or diagreement

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 7:44 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

so Gone, what is your gameplan ?? From here on out ?

Make sure if you stick to your path to leave the marriage that you are treated well in the divorce terms. I am confident in the way you speak of your WW that she'll be treated fairly too.

Despite the horrible incident, there is a way for both sides to leave this mess with a good future and best of wishes to both.

Again, I praise your conviction

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Hawke ( member #47517) posted at 7:55 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

Hi, I'm Gone! I strongly encourage you to join upon the Divorce/Separation board. There are certainly those on that board who chose divorce immediately. They will also have advice on how to avoid getting sucked back in to the relationship, how to survive in-house separation and many other things to consider in the process. Some of the people on there are dealing with wayward spouses who are abusive or have personality disorders that make the divorce process a very special nightmare, but others of us have more run-of-the-mill cheating spouses who can co-parent and civilly discuss the division of assets and support payments.

Me: BS (b. '75)
Him: exWS (b. '76)
D-Day: April 2015
Together 10 years
2 kids: 2011 and 2014
Separated (no divorce required for common law couple in my jurisdiction)

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 8:03 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

Hey man! I see you've got a lot of... varying... feedback here on a whole host of different shit. I'm getting a good feel that you've made yourself aware of all your options and pros and cons of each; made your decision; tested the theory of it here; and remain convinced. Good.

You seem to have a game plan in place too. Good. Without that you would probably have even more hurts hitting you hard on top of the ones you already have.

You're pretty lengthy in your posts but its a complex topic with a lot of variables. Plus it helps to be clear when you want to be heard. You've been heard brother.

So what is your biggest hardship right now? What's bothering you the most?

[This message edited by Notthevictem at 2:06 PM, October 18th (Sunday)]

BH
DDAY Mar 2014
Widowed 2022 - breast cancer

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tomuchdrama ( member #46759) posted at 9:00 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

Hey Imgone,

Yeah I know........ I guess is was an emotional sex bonding, but afterwards when my hurt and temper subsided I took a step back and starting thinking things through........

together for 25 years

house almost paid off

3 kids I did not want to lose

But when it all started to sink in and me finding out bits and pieces of the truth and finding out she was still seeing him and lying I just pulled myself together.

If this guy was to have seconds it was not going to be from me.

I stop everything, sold the house to pay off the lawyers, the shrinks etc.

She took the girls and brain beated brainwashing things in their heads over the years, and he just walking away from her son.

They (Ex and OM are still together but I hear they cheat on each other, swear to one another. Always broke trying to ask the family for money.

So the whole family finally knew who was the screwed up on and they all walked away from her. My girls.... maybe they will come to me. They still live with her and they are afraid of her but do not leave the nest.

So "Imgone" I had alot of time and material invested in the marriage, so I just did the"Emotional Bonding", but I came out of the funk and just went to court, filed, divorced, tried by best to get all 3 kids but I only was able to save one (my son).

To this day I have a hard time ""Trusting Women" I always have my red flags/antenna up to make sure no one does this to me ever again.

So it does stay with you but not as bad as it was at the beginning. My ex was a very bad seed, and needed help, but she felt nothing was wrong with her, she just sickly witch laughed.

So hang in there, do what you feel is bast for you! It is now all about you. You want your divorce, you go for it. It is not like you can not some day bond back together. It just means, she broke the rule/bond. And you do not have to put up with it.

If you really think about the cheaters, how do cheaters get punished? How do we hand then all that they did to us? The hurt, the pain, the sorrow, being insecure trying to see what they are doing behind our backs. When do they get all that they did to us for getting into the sack with a stranger.

To me she did not love me, did not respect me, and did not like me. So why cheat? Be an adult and say.... this is not working for me, I think we need to either talk and fix it or get a divorce. Not being a stab in the bad cheater. They use so much time and energy in order to cheat, what not put it where it should have been, in the marriage.

Stick to your belief/guns. Let the dust simmer down and you will have a much clearer picture to what you really need and want to do. Seem like the court system is giving you this course of action, to wait!

Thanks for speaking your mind to me, no hurt from you at all. just good talking and venting.

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tomuchdrama ( member #46759) posted at 9:06 PM on Sunday, October 18th, 2015

just to add.........

When I woke up from the "FOG", I was totally discussed with what I did. Sex. I took a step back and the love the honor the respect just was gone...

No more feelings, she was beautiful (Cindy Crawford's sister almost twin sister) but to me she was the ugliest person that I knew, because of her new personality and who she now has become.

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 8:19 AM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

"Truly, you have dizzying intellect."

I have to admit that you do make a very interesting point regarding a WS's sense of entitlement to both the affair (whatever it meant to him/her) and reconciliation. And I won't deny that, at times, I honestly do feel that my wife feels entitled to reconciliation, or, at the very least, a shot at it (and she knows there's no guarantee that I can, or will, give it my best shot).

There are lots of types of entitlement, of course. Legal entitlements--such as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness--is normal and healthy (at least in the civilized world). There are financial entitlements (income from good work, investments, annuities, trust funds, wills, gov't aid, SS, etc.,) which are certainly debatable (and always debated). And then, of course, there are all those unhealthy entitlements which are the result of poor parenting or privileged status, etc.

"I am entitled to my own happiness," is one of my favorite unhealthy entitlements. I would imagine that this, in particular, is what you've taken such great umbrage over, and I agree with you whole-heartedly. Happiness is the reward of living an honest and authentic life (the premise of everything Socrates believed in).

The thing is, though, I don't believe this is why cheaters cheat (or at least most of them). Even if my wife believed that she really was/is entitled to her own happiness rather than the pursuit of it, separation or divorce would have been a logical and respectable course of action to rectify an unhappy marriage. She didn't make that choice, however, which leads me to believe that has another issues, not this unhealthy sense of entitlement, which lead to her to cheat (and I will explain, as well as I can, what I think that issue is, if you're interested).

Now, I do take great umbrage at your expressed belief that "the first person a wayward betrays is himself" is some form of "mental gymnastics." It's not. I've given this a great deal of thought and consideration and so have many, many people much smarter and far more learned than this humble (and perhaps still slightly unhinged) man. And this, perhaps, may be why your wife actually did stop before intercourse (and the relevance of that is completely yours to discern!)

Have you given much consideration to the possibility that she did, in fact, return to her senses, stopped the infidelity, and confess all to you? Do you think she still has shred of integrity left?

Regarding "help, love and support."

I can't fix my wife. That is beyond my powers (although it would be really cool to have such powers, wouldn't it?). I can help, but it's just that: help. I can support her in her efforts to fix herself, but she has to come to me for that support and I have to be willing to give her that support. And, of course, there's no getting around the fact that I do, in deed, love my wife.

Did her actions break my heart? Yes! And not just the ONS! She started lying about (minimizing) her ONS/Fling immediately. She lied about knowing the OM's last name or where he worked to protect her own ass from the consequences of her actions, fearing that I might do something crazy, such as harm the OM. She blamed me and our marriage (truly believed it) for months. She brought up every possible argument that she could think of to stop me from informing the OM's wife (once I found out who he is on my own). All of that hurt even worse than the infidelity itself.

Am I healing from all this? Yes! Is it a slow, hard process, and one that I would probably have to do even if I chose divorce, which, btw, was also my first impulse? Yes.

You stated in your first post that people are incapable of truly changing their persona. I do not believe that to be a valid axiom. People can and do change. We are capable of great introspection, rational thought, and scrupulously logical deliberation. I know this to be a fact (and if you'd like, I will offer you plenty of examples).

Brother, I feel your pain and I have experienced the same rage you feel. Indeed, my own rage shocked this hell out of me!

I've made the assumption that you came to SI seeking support and guidance. There's nothing at all wrong with it, I don't judge it, because I've been there, done that, and I think it's great that you've sought us out!

I came to SI to learn if and how people can reconcile a marriage after infidelity simply because

my extreme reaction told me that there was something I must feel is worth fighting for. -psychmom

This is why I am still here.

By now, I'm sure that you've noticed that I am rather passionate about giving reconciliation the best effort I can give it, regardless of whether or not it's even possible, unreasonable, foolish, "mental gymnastics," or just plain old fashioned delusion.

Your initial post really hooked me, man! Your wife wants to reconcile and you've dismissed it as impossible. And yet... I can't help but suspect that behind your incredibly well thought out diatribe against reconciliation lies enough doubt that you're not completely convinced. Maybe that's me projecting, hoping, that another lost, crushed, broken-hearted and rage-filled man like me can't completely let go without giving my wife (MY WIFE!) the chance to make this right, or at least give it her best shot. I believe she can, but I don't know.

One last thought for the now, is a quote from Abraham Lincoln.

“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.

[This message edited by Unhinged at 2:22 AM, October 19th (Monday)]

Married 2005
D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022

"The Universe is not short on wake-up calls. We're just quick to hit the snooze button." -Brene Brown

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Deeply Scared ( Administrator #2) posted at 11:08 AM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

tomuchdrama...

Support this guy or just talk to him, bashing him is the book burning, bible banging, passive insecure way of life.

No one here has done anything that you accused them of. Stop trying to create camps.

"Don't give up, the beginning is always the hardest." My Mom:)

My tolerance for stupid shit is getting less and less.

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SpaceGhost0007 ( member #46539) posted at 12:28 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

If a woman would be abused by her husband, physically, verbally, emotionally and otherwise – no one with right senses would tell her to forgive and see him unprotected because otherwise it is not conducive to her happiness. In that case, as I already said, my wife is the abuser and perpetrator and I am the abused and victim, so claiming taking care of my security is somehow not conducive to my happiness, well let's say it's a little bit of a double standard. It's the exact twisted phenomena of the damsel in distress and the bad guy syndrome. She is not a damsel in distress and I am not the bad guy so what I am doing is indeed conducive to my happiness. It's not punishing her but protecting my-self – plain and simple! If she feels punished it's only her stupidity that brought her there, not me. Think before you act and actions have consequences as I said.

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The above that you posted are my exact thoughts!!!

I am reading from a person that gets me and my exact thoughts about cheating! I looked at my wife like damaged goods that I couldn't be with anymore.

I still struggle with what she did and I can't take the chance that I would forgive her and with no consequences why wouldn't she do it again? I don't need the thoughts in my head that she needs a different or bigger dick than mine.

But many people think people like us are strange for not accepting the shit sandwich. I say to you that I totally get what you are saying. I couldn't agree with you more!!

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realitybites ( member #6908) posted at 1:39 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

I personally applaud you for taking a stand and following your OWN path. I just want to chime in and say that I hear what you are saying, so many live years and years with this struggle and only WISH they would have pulled the plug right in the beginning, some however took their own path and struggled with the decision but ultimately made the decision to R. That is their rite and their choice as well. We say on here many times that an A is a deal breaker in a marriage, that a BS has every rite at that point to end the marriage. So again, I applaud you and your choices.

I do want to say however that this site is not pro R necessarily, it may seem that way for you and your post but it is not that way. In fact many newbies come on here and say that they cannot stay on the site because there are those who start these same arguments for the BS to leave! To walk away and divorce immediately. It pressures a new person to make a decision that they cannot emotionally make for themselves at that moment and so they leave the site. So it is always surprising to me to see people swing extremely one way and then another. You will see both sides here. Just remember that the poster at that time feels very passionate about how they feel, that is the beauty of boards like this is you get real life opinions from those who have walked all paths. It is only up to you alone to pick and choose which posts work for you and leave behind what doesn't.

But to go back to what you just posted? About the WS and entitlement? I agree 100%. I won't go into it further as I feel you stated it very well.

[This message edited by realitybites at 7:41 AM, October 19th (Monday)]

Stop expecting loyalty from people who cannot even give you honesty.

He stopped being my husband the first time he cheated. It took me awhile to understand that I was no longer his wife.

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eric1 ( member #47762) posted at 1:42 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

For SpaceGhost to chime in on your thread

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eric1 ( member #47762) posted at 1:44 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

RealityBites said:

In fact many newbies come on here and say that they cannot stay on the site because there are those who start these same arguments for the BS to leave! To walk away and divorce immediately. It pressures a new person to make a decision that they cannot emotionally make for themselves at that moment and so they leave the site. So it is always surprising to me to see people swing extremely one way and then another. You will see both sides here

I couldn't agree more. I'd go a step further and say that JFO really isn't even a forum to be discussing that decision. Some people can make it 5 seconds after it happened and some 5 months, but the general tenor of this forum is, I believe, best served for immediate and firm action. Once you get past that, there are so many different paths to take.

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Valentinessucks ( member #46486) posted at 2:01 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

This thread is like an ivy league philosophy class!

Such great articulation of the infidelity process.

When I saw that SpaceGhost chimed in, well, Eric, your post says it all.

Me: BS, 52 Him: WS, 68
Married 30 yrs; DDay E/A, 5/2012
2nd DDay, again E/A, broke NC 2/2014 Reconciling.

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ManWithNoName ( member #49186) posted at 2:07 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

@ImGoneByTheDown - follow your own path and discard any chatter from those who want you to follow theirs. Sorry you are on this road but let it lead you somewhere that serves you. Good luck!!

A SpaceGhost post in your thread is epic..he is a legend around these parts. Not enough men like him if you ask me.

[This message edited by ManWithNoName at 8:07 AM, October 19th (Monday)]

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ChangeMaker ( member #43899) posted at 2:09 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

Hey GoneBy,

I need that emotional conection to the woman.

I hear you, brother. I'm the same way. Meaningless sex has never been my thing. It surprises people, since I have quite a dominant, alpha male type personality and lifestyle, but that's the way it is. I've just never really gotten off on casual sex.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

DDay - June 2014
DD 2008 & 2011
Divorced April 1, 2015

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Western ( member #46653) posted at 2:14 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

I agree with SG. I also agree with OP that FOO issues are IMO overstated.

Sometimes, some dig for an explanation for their WS's infidelity and try to rationalize it through a diagnosis process which often times is giving the WS justification for their immoral actions. In the end, the WS often showed their hand that they are fully capable of proper, established behavior long enough to entrap someone into the relationship, marriage and kids before showing the bad side of them. It is truly tragic for the BS to get this shit sandwich.

I agree with SG. The contact is broken upon infidelity. We can't ask a BS to try and climb Mount Everest in keeping things together if they are certain they don't want to. In the end, they didn't ask for it. Some will make that climb. Nothing wrong with that. Some won't. I support that fully.

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ICanOvercome ( member #48625) posted at 2:21 PM on Monday, October 19th, 2015

Y'all are funny.

Anyway, the best thing is to feel out what you need and not worry about what people post here. You certainly don't need any 2x4s.

I needed 2x4s, at first. After a while, once I got over the shock, I listened to myself. It is a much healthier place to be.

I feel absolutely sure that I am taking the right path (divorce) even though it still makes me sad at time.

You've gotten loads of advice. Only you can decide what the best path for you is.

I really applaud any couple that can reconcile from this. I do think it is infinitely harder for men to reconcile with a WW than the other way around. I say this just because of the way in which men and women approach sex.

That said, you are going to divorce, so your life is going to be a whole lot easier to deal with. Just try to get out of her presence as much as possible. In home separation sucks.

Me: BH (37)
Her: WW (35)
Married 10 years (2004), together since 1998.
Two daughters, ages 5 and 2.
Divorced 11/20/15 - living and LOVING life!

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