I have been at pt with my daughter all morning, bare with me as I and reply, as I have gotten loads of great suggestions and replies this morning. (This post IS LONG.)
Buck,
That is a tricky minefield, as we have had that discussion before, about chores. It has become a balancing act, learning to do enough of the chores that he can rest, but at the same time not taking away from his need to be needed. This became am issue when I was taking on much of the yard work,(as well as house work) and it left him feeling like I didn't need him, or trust him, to do the chores that he felt were more his responsibility to handle. While my intentions were good, it was poorly received.
As to the sex initiation side of things, we had that discussion last night. He was able to further elaborate on his feelings of this matter, and it is being addressed. There WAS some miscommunication, and concepts that we had to talk out and work through. As I mentioned before I was getting conflicting advice on this subject. I believe I now have a more thorough understanding. Thank you.
DIFM,
We had a long discussion again last night. He continues to struggle to pinpoint that feeling, other than to state that it feels like something was taken from him, and he wants it back. We will continue to work on, and discuss, this. One thing that I realized that I was doing wrong, was crying in private. Growing up, it was "stop crying before I give you something to cry about". Then I read that "this isn't your time to cry. Stop making it about you, it's about the bs" I took that as I had to be strong, or even semi emotionless, while we were having our later discussions. I felt I had to hold it in, stay calm, focus on what he was saying, and just listen. This meant to him that I was hiding my emotions from him, an not suffering with him. I felt bad/guilty expressing my real hurt, pain, and feelings, through really breaking down (once we got past the initial of course, where I was a mess during almost every conversation.) I had been taught to be strong, be hard, emotions are for the weak. (Yes my parents wanted a boy, and I was raised very tomboy, but that is besides the point.) I saw through discussion that doing that, and feeling that way, made it even more about me, because I was not allowing him to SEE that I was hurting, and he didn't feel like I was sharing in his pain.
thatbpguy,
I am sorry to hear that you are continuing to struggle with this. It is my hope that this feed is able to give you some ways to help yourself, or if your ww reads here, gives her some further insight as to how to address these issues as well.
Brew3x,
We discussed the weight lifting, and exercising again last night. He is in full agreement on this one. He has worked out a few months here and there, and stated that he did feel better, and felt better about HIMSELF, when he was working out more regularly. I was told today (at pt) that the local gym here has reopened, and that it is not that expensive, and as I pointed out yesterday, we DO have a good bit of equipment here as well. I spoke with one of our sons (who is very fit, ad exercises regularly), and he is going to help us both motivate to get ourselves back in shape. There is a true science behind working out, especially weight lifting. It raises, and releases, a lot of the good hormones, and reduces things like stress and depression.
I am pleased to hear that you have found inner strength in working out, as well as the physical strength. I hope that she DOES see the changes, and gives you the affirmation and motivation to continue to allow yourself to heal and get stronger. No one should have to face this depth of trauma alone, but sadly many I see find themselves doing just that. I applaud you for getting stronger for YOU, regardless of her part in the process. That takes great strength and determination.
Westway,
Building him up, is something I do constantly. When we worked together (I am not essential, but he is, so he is still working, and my position got cut.), I talk him up to pretty much anyone that will listen, and sometimes to those that could give flying flip. LOL (Yea yea he is great, good for you, I don't have that *rolls eyes* and walks away.) Thank you, and I will continue to build him up, not only in private, but to the kids, and when we are around others. Sometimes it feels like he can not see how amazing, and gorgeous that he really is, but perhaps one day, with enough reinforcement he will begin to feel them.
I know for a fact that am not the only person that sees these things in him. I have had several people (men and women alike) give him compliments on his abilities and looks. He really IS an all around great guy, and very gifted in many ways. I am most certainly NOT under any false impression that I am the only one that finds him attractive, or can see his amazing qualities. I hope that with time HE will be able to see them himself.
Jameson1977,
I can feel your continued pain through your post. We were married when I was 17 and he was 26. So I can identify with your pain to a point. I was very young, manipulatable, inexperienced, nieve about life, I had little grasp what true love was, or what it meant. (Through therapy I discovered that much of this was due to the environment I was raised in, and the rejection I felt throughout childhood, that continued into and through my adult life.) I was NOT raised to be open, either communicatively or emotionally. There were many areas of neglect and emotional/mental abuse, that, if I am truly honest, I still struggle with even now. Though through therapy and many many nights of discussion, I AM getting better about. Expressing myself and my feelings is something that remains very difficult, but I am working diligently to overcome those things. Thank you for your insight. I dearly hope that the window of communication is opened in your own relationship, and the two of you are able to continue your healing.
survrus,
I have given him all of the details, to the best of my ability. Before you knee jerk, allow me to explain that one. While dday was 5 years ago, my actions against the marriage (ONS, EA's, kisses, etc.) range from nearly 8 to 23 years ago. I WISH I had disclosed everything from the beginning. (Meaning 23 years ago, at first action *ONS*) HAD I done so, IDK what would have happened. Perhaps we would have separated and gone our separate ways, but more than likely we would have worked through it in the beginning, and the other things would not have even been given the chance to happen. God what I would give to go back to the beginning, take our marriage certificate, and tell my mother to fly a short kite in heavy winds, while standing on a bridge. It took me MANY MANY years to remove that toxicity (my mother and her influencers) from my life. He tried to tell me, and open my eyes for YEARS. I was simply NOT strong enough to see through the manipulation, and in turn I became very toxic and manipulative myself. I say that to say this, with many many years having passed, some of the exact details, especially any emotional "what were you thinking/feeling" details are either completely lost, foggy, or simply not clear at this point. I allowed WAY WAY WAY toooooo much time to pass, and that caused much more upheaval that would have been caused, if I had been truly open, up front, honest, and confided in him from the very very beginning of our relationship. I was completely blinded and damaged beyond what even I recognized. I HAVE given him all of the details, to the best that my memory has allowed. I searched and searched within my own heart and mind, until I was able to pull every last piece that there was to pull. Again, that could have been completely avoided, had I just fessed up at the very first offence. I have caused us more pain, lost time, the ability to bare and raise children in a HEALHY and loving relationship, trust, open communication, honest connection, years of true unwavering commitment, and many other things than will ever be able to be replaced. This pains me on a level that I can not even begin to express, and I know it is something that impacts my bh very very deeply. While many things I know are truly lost to the past, I DO hold out hope for a truly happy, open, loving, committed, passionate, truthful, caring, bright, and truly connected future together. I am committed and invested in continuing to gain understanding of his feelings, his pain, and his emotions, and taking the steps that I can take to help him continue to heal, and encouraging him to heal the things that have to come from within himself.
Thank you for your insight, advice, and allowing me the chance to express openly.
sraha20,
I am truly sorry for the loss of your marriage. I do hope that you find your own inner peace, healing, self worth, manliness, and strength along your journey.
Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, insight, and for helping me to further open the lines of communication and healing. I will use your suggestions, and I look forward to reading more thoughts. Thank you for your time.