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Lieswearmedown ( member #61335) posted at 5:35 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Please discourage your daughters from contacting Jennifer the Crapweasel. No good can come from that and it may hurt your position later on. I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase, “Play the Long Game”.

I know how difficult this is and I know what many of us are asking you to do tonight seems impossible. I know this because when it happened to me, I didn’t have the benefit of cooler heads on SI. I went ballistic. I smartened up fairly soon, but I didn’t work to my own benefit for at least a few months. Be better than I was. Play the long game.

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Robert22205https ( member #65547) posted at 5:37 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Only one story to wife: he attacked you saying you were his woman and you defended yourself.

"Nothing happened" ??? Respond: she lied to you and had a secret boyfriend ...the lying alone is a reason to D.

Insist on a timeline and full disclosure before any further discussion tomorrow...with the understanding that her disclosure will be confirmed with the text recovery.

Any further lies or omissions will lead to immediate D filing.

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 5:37 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Just tell him you figured out everything at the party and she should not worry about what happened between you and the POS. She needs to worry about herrself and what she has done to her husband and kids.

Send a screenshot of his pic to your BIL Nd tell him this is the lowlife she just through away her family for.

Try and get some rest tonight. Tomorrow will be a long day.

[This message edited by Stevesn at 11:38 PM, December 14th (Friday)]

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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HeHadADoubleLife ( member #68944) posted at 5:42 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Your WW likely told this guy you were separated or living as “roommates” ... you would be shocked at the shit waywards come up with. She could have told him you were a deranged, abusive, sociopath ...

This is very likely. My husband told the OW we had been separated for 6 months. At this point, you don’t know what you don’t know. Keep as much as possible to yourself. The more you reveal to her about what you do know, the more she will be able to figure out what you don’t know, and go on to do everything she can to hide it. Or like others have said, gotten her stories straight with the OM.

My daughters heard everything and more pissed off than I am. They kept wanting the guys phone number and why would their mom text him 414 times. They are pissed at her and currently appear to be on Team Dad.

Being calm and honest with them is the best thing you can do for them right now. People sometimes forget how much these situations affect the kids too. Just as you will now begin to look back on your marriage and start questioning conversations, and become very suspicious of things you would not normally have questioned, so too will your daughters. If they are not kept in the loop, trust me they will just talk and speculate amongst themselves.

My two step daughters were in the same situation when their dad cheated on me, and because I was the one who had to leave (they’re his kids afterall, and I’m not going to leave them homeless, but I’m certainly not going to live with the asshole) he used that opportunity to talk their ears off about me. Your wife will likely do the same thing. As long as you are ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS honest with your daughters, your relationship with them will not suffer over this. My step daughters ultimately believe me over him because I never lied.

Your daughters are at an age where they are going to understand this situation on a level that younger kids just wouldn’t get. They understand the concept of cheating and betrayal, but they also understand sex, affection, etc. This might lead them to ask you questions that you might be uncomfortable with, but trust me BE HONEST. They are going to be searching for answers to why their mom would do something like this, and they might even ask you something like “were you and mom not having enough sex?” Or “do you think mom and this guy were kissing or sending pictures?”. If you don’t know the answer, you should say I don’t know. But if it is something you can answer, always answer honestly. My husband tried to claim that we’ve never had sex (ever) but because I had already been completely honest with them about every other thing they had asked me about, they felt comfortable enough to ask me if that was true, and they believed me when I told them absolutely not.

The number one thing my step daughters have told me since all of this has happened is that they don’t understand why their dad would lie to them, and that it makes them feel as if they are not important to him.

And of course, insist to them that none of this is their fault. It should go without saying, but honestly I can’t even count how many times I told the girls that. They would always say “we know,” but I know it’s nice to hear no matter what.

Don’t give them the OM’s number. The last thing you need is to have your daughters accused of harassment.

Oh, and be aware that you may well have confronted them before this was ever able to get physical. It might be the shock she needed to snap out of it, or it could send the A underground. Be vigilant about her phone usage, but even more so any kind of sneaky messaging apps. There are ones made to look like a calculator or some other innocuous thing but once you enter a password it’s a secret chat. Also Facebook messenger has some kind of incognito mode now. And iPhones have incognito on their internet browser, so she could sign into various sites online and it would never show up in the browser history. If I were you I would make her change to a non- iPhone, there is too much secrecy in the way iPhones operate now

BW
DDay Nov 2018
Many previous DDays due to his sex addiction

Hurt me with the truth, but don't comfort me with a lie.

Love is never wasted, for its value does not rest upon reciprocity.

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Lieswearmedown ( member #61335) posted at 5:44 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

You don’t owe her any explanation for what occurred in the parking lot. Turn that request for information around and tell your brother-in-law that,

“I have just found out my wife is unfaithful, I’m consoling myself and my two inconsolable and righteously angry daughters, and my wife is concerned about her boyfriend. Not only do I not need to deal with that, she needs to ask herself why her head is so far up her own ass that she doesn’t realize she fucked away a 20 year marriage. Instead, she is concerned about the guy she conspired with to rip apart our lives. That tells me something right there.”

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MickeyBill2016 ( member #56459) posted at 5:53 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Unless you know her password DO NOT TURN THE PHONE OFF. You will need it after restart.

Put it in silent mode. Keep it charged up. Check location services to see where she has been.

Is it in your name, her name or both?

Keep contact with BIL but he may or may not be a friend to you. His wife may urge him to soften you up, she made a mistake, she so sad, please talk to her...

[This message edited by MickeyBill2016 at 12:08 AM, December 15th (Saturday)]

9 years married.
13 years divorced.

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wordsofwisdom ( member #54083) posted at 5:54 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

The chance she comes clean now is a fraction above zero, because she feels nothing but fear, panic, and, sadly, affection to her BF. Based on how she acts, it appears that her affair is/was far from innocent. Do you remember when she first mentioned this guy? This could be when it became emotional for her.

I wonder why you are not considering help from PI? He/she could definitely help you with data recovery. Also, don't you want to see your attorney to get an idea how divorce would look like, time-wise and outcome-wise? Are there people in your circle (close friends, family members, IC) who could help you build your support system? And, most importantly, try to figure out what are you going to do next. Your wife is very feeble and obviously addicted, and the odds are high she won't change any time soon. You should take this into account and plan accordingly, without her in your big picture as long as she does not prove your wrong.

[This message edited by wordsofwisdom at 12:46 AM, December 15th (Saturday)]

One day discovered my wife chasing her old sweetheart. Wished her good luck and moved on to better things and people.
Divorced: Jan 2010

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FinanceGuy123 ( member #66024) posted at 5:59 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

I’ve been following this thread since it was started and I honestly didn’t see it turning out like this. I will say the advice given here is some of the upmost well given advice. I would recommend not responding or contacting your wife as you are most likely angry and rage filled and are not thinking clearly. If your WW is like mine, then she is only concerned right now about what happened with her AP.

Try to get some sleep if you can, take care of your hands (great job btw). I see you say the guy is French, I can relate because my ahole stbxw did the same to me only the POS OM in my situation is from France and lived on an island where she grew up vacationing most of her life. Also your BIL is a saint because mine was also on my side but after about a week told me he needed to stay out of it as he was married and that was still his family (which I respect especially the honesty). Your lucky you have her phone. I agree with everyone on here and you should do all you can to recover any texts and other information. Make sure to check IG direct messages, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp etc. Mine occurred over Instagram where they met and started their EA which became a full blown affair. Now they are dating and appear to be soulmates (it’s crazy I know).

As for finding out more info on the OM, I think it’s pointless at this stage especially since you know and confirmed that something was and is going on. Doesn’t matter if he’s a loser, gamer or what not. You need to focus on being strong, healing yourself and making sure your daughters are protected. To date, you have done a phenomenal job and I wish I had the strength you did earlier on (it would have saved me a great deal of pain and time).

If you do feel the need to contact the OM, can you ask him if he can get me a Canada Goose jacket? I am trying to get one but in the US they are all sold out in the size and model I want. It seems in Canada they are fully stocked

[This message edited by FinanceGuy123 at 12:08 AM, December 15th (Saturday)]

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MickeyBill2016 ( member #56459) posted at 6:05 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Wait until Monday when the office talk about the new gals husband clocked "Jennifer" at the Xmas party gets rolling...

9 years married.
13 years divorced.

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megahertz ( member #44306) posted at 6:06 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Do a complete backup of the phone on iTunes. That will give you a copy should she get the phone back and start deleting everything. The Dr. Fone software will be able to search the backup copy, if I recall correctly.

3 kids: D19, S17, D15
Divorced: 5/21/19
XW cheater

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 6:14 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Wait until Monday when the office talk about the new gals husband clocked "Jennifer" at the Xmas party gets rolling...

Good bet they knew what was going on. Him showing up Monday with a shiner would be a Kodak moment.

Nice life lesson.

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ShutterHappy ( member #64318) posted at 6:42 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Your goal at this point is to get out of infidelity.

If you are thinking about (D)ivorce right now, you don’t need to gather more information about your WW and her BF. You know enough, start taking 1/2 of your money from joint accounts etc...

If you are rhinking “I need time to decide whether to Reconcile or divorce”, then you need more information. It’s not because you discovered the affair that ir’s over.

Tell her that she needs to tell you exactly what happened and that lies and omissions will result in D. You will polygraph her answers.

Even then, you’ll need to be prepared for:

-minimizing “it was only a kiss”

-blame shifting: “it was your fault because...”

-gas lighting: “it’s not what you think”

In anycase, get tested for STD and talk to a lawyer, if only to know what divorce would look like.

Me: BH
Divorced, remarried.
I plan on living forever. So far so good

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Mene ( member #64377) posted at 7:44 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Well played, dude. Well played. So far, you’ve done really well. The OM is a coward. 99% are.

Life wasn’t meant to be fair...

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ramius ( member #44750) posted at 8:15 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Does your state have “at fault” divorce?

How many scars have you rationalized because you loved the person who was holding the knife?

Their actions reveal their intentions. Their words conceal them.

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Jameson1977 ( member #54177) posted at 9:22 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Ah man, f#ck, I was truly hoping for a different outcome, in so sorry man. All of us have been exactly where you are and will help as much as we can.

All I will say is take some time for yourself and your kids. Dont rush anything. I was an absolute mess for 6 months after dday. I cant stress this enough.

I feel for you bro. I had my 2nd session with my own IC, I highly recommend it. Leave some space between you two. Clear your head as much as possible.

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Jameson1977 ( member #54177) posted at 9:26 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

And I realize violence isn't encouraged, but man bro, good for you for exacting a little revenge.

And absolutely as others have said, "he came at me, and I defended myself", no witnesses, he can go f#ck himself. I have ZERO empathy for the OM.

[This message edited by Jameson1977 at 3:39 AM, December 15th (Saturday)]

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WilliamM ( member #60910) posted at 10:00 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Man, i am so sorry. Just know you have a great support here. The day after will be rough. Do not play the pick me dance. Don't accept any blame for her affair. She is 100% to blame. Let your mind recover before you make any decisions, whether D or R. Take care of you and your DDs.

All things are possible.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 10:05 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Dan,

Things have moved incredibly quickly in the space of 24 hours. It is likely that you have been running on pure adrenaline. You may not have slept. Please be careful with your health, because once the adrenaline switches off, you may suddenly feel exhausted.

Please make sure that you keep yourself hydrated, and if you cannot face eating a substantial meal, then try to eat a little something on a regular basis.

Do you have any friends nearby who can come and be with you? If possible, it would be good to have them come over, in case you need to go to bed and rest.

I think that you handled a challenging situation very well, but you now need to go into protective mode, on behalf of yourself and your daughters. Your health, and the well-being of your daughters, need to be your number one priority.

As far as the incident with the OM goes, I advise you to say absolutely nothing about it to anyone other than your lawyer/attorney. If that POS tries to press charges, then discuss it with your attorney, but otherwise, SAY NOTHING.

It does not matter who asks you, or how often they ask you, anything that you say can be recorded, anything that you text or message can be kept or screen-grabbed. I repeat: say nothing more about it to anyone other than your lawyer, and only discuss it with him/her if the POS tries to press charges.

As far as the POS pressing charges goes, I doubt that he will. Your wife is going to go into damage-limitation mode, and the last thing she will want is the POS doing anything that may provoke you into into broadcasting the affair to the wider world, or making a bad situation worse. So it will be in his interest to stay quiet.

At some point your wife is going to return to the house. As Bigger has said, you cannot throw someone out against their will, and much as you might want to, it is not in your interest or your daughters' interest for you to do something that might backfire on you. However, you can tell your wife you want her to stay at her sister's for the foreseeable future, and see if she is agreeable to that.

If you have trusted friends and family, it may be good to tell them what has happened, so that they can be there to support you. That can be very important, because you should not go through this alone. Coming to this forum was a good start, and there are many here who will do everything they can for you. However, having people there for you 'in real life' can be vital for you.

Also, it would be no bad thing to have a neutral third party at your house when your wife returns, to rule out any potential for any false claims about your behaviour to be made. That may sound a bit extreme, but some waywards have made false accusations against their betrayed spouses in an attempt to get some leverage over them.

The flipside of telling people is that if you are considering the possibility of reconciliation, the more people in your circle who know about the affair, the more awkward it may be to re-unite with your wife. Striking a balance between those who need to know, and the urge to tell everyone, is the best course of action at this point. At a later date, you can inform more people if you deem it necessary.

Please understand that you can take as long as you like to make a decision about your long-term plans. This may be a deal-breaker for you, or it may not. Whatever you decide must be what is right for you. Not what is right for anyone here; not what is right for people around you; not what is right for your wife. The only other people you need to factor in are your daughters.

Your brother-in-law may be a stand-up guy, and in his heart he may be entirely on your side, but he is married to your wife's sister, and her loyalties will be 100% with your wife, regardless of what she has done. So your BIL's loyalties are going to be divided. Be careful what you say to him, and think before you say it. Do not talk at length to him, because everything you say will be relayed to your wife.

Please be aware that the shock of what has happened will hit you at some point. The same is true of your daughters. We can all run on adrenaline or anger in the heat of the moment, but once that has gone, other emotions can kick in. That is another reason for having someone with you if that is possible.

If the POS French Canadian contacts you, do not respond. Keep evidence of all such communications if they occur, but bear in mind that he may want to provoke you into doing something that he can use against you (like issuing a threat that he can record and keep, or you going to his home, and lo and behold, he has a witness there). You have dealt with him once already, and that should be enough. If he starts being a dick, do nothing without talking to your lawyer.

Please be good to yourself and contact your physician if you find this affecting your well-being. You have handled a very difficult situation very well, but no man is a block of stone, and we should all make use of every possible support resource that we can. That is what they are there for.

Finally, I want to say that my heart goes out to you for what you are going through, and that all of us here are thinking of you, and we want the best for you.

Sending you strength, brother.

Edited to add:

People have spoken about preventing your wife's phone from shutting down and locking you out. Most phones can have more than one password/fingerprint that unlocks them, so you can add your own to it.

If the phone has location functionality on it, you may be able to use it to see where the phone (and your wife) has been.

Your wife asked you what had happened between you and her affair partner, so they have obviously been talking or she would not have known you had any contact with him.

This may be the last thing on your mind at the moment, but do not have any sexual contact with your wife until she has an STD test. I am sure she will say nothing happened between her and the POS, but nothing she says right now should be trusted, particularly where your health is concerned.

[This message edited by M1965 at 4:37 AM, December 15th (Saturday)]

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SnowToArmPits ( member #50943) posted at 10:22 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

Hi Dan, man sorry for your rotten night.

If you and your wife are going to reconcile, she's going to have quit her job (and no contact ever with Jennifer).

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Ponus18 ( member #57090) posted at 10:26 AM on Saturday, December 15th, 2018

When you see your WW be ready for her to TT (trickle truth) the shit out of you. Among other things, she has spent the night trying to figure out how much you know, and assuming it is a PA she may well plan to confess to an EA only, hoping that all you know is that she gave him a phony female name in her phone. She may be banking on that.

I would tell her that you have a lot more information from various sources and stress to her that this initial conversation is going to be her one and only chance to tell the truth and potentially save the M. You can tell her that if she tells you want false thing, there will be no second chances and you will be immediately filing for D. If she tells the full truth then that will open the possibility of reconciliation.

But be prepared for your WW to minimize what she’s done.

She may also already start shifting the blame to you. You didn’t listen enough. You didn’t pay attention to her needs. You were always caught up with work. It’s both your faults. Blah blah blah. Don’t stand for it. Tell her you’re both 50% responsible for the M but she is 100% responsible for the A.

As for your BIL, he’s with you now, but blood is thicker than water and no matter what his sister did, he will be on Team WW eventually so keep that in mind and don’t be disappointed. Don’t tell him for example what happened with her BF. As a lawyer, I agree with the earlier post here to say nada to ANYONE about the incident except to your lawyer.

That phone is gold. You may never find out more about the A than what is in that 3 by 5 rectangle. Treat it like your most prized possession.

Stay calm for your girls. Their world also got turned upside down last night. They need you to be calm and assured and comforting.

Strength to you brother.

Married a serial cheater.
Found out 18 years in.
Happily remarried.

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