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You’re just lucky that NotTheVictim and I are not entering the dating pool to compete with you, because we are so far beyond Alpha that we are widely known as Omega men.

Last time planc and I in the dating pool is widely known as the 'Highlander Epidemic'. Now, looking back, maybe we took there can only be one a little too harshly. But hospital beds are meant to be filled, right? Don't want nurses to run outta work.

[This message edited by Notthevictem at 2:09 PM, February 2nd (Friday)]

I think we should just make some embarrassing viral videos about red pill guys and then they get the same treatment as mullets and mom jeans.

^ I'm in full agreement with the video shaming of red-pills, but I think their punishment should be something more fitting of where their beliefs were borne from. They will wear fedoras 24/7/365 and no matter their body shape or how badly out of style they go, these "men" will wear the tightest skinny jeans their frames can handle. Also 24/7/365.

They will wear fedoras 24/7/365 and no matter their body shape or how badly out of style they go, these "men" will wear the tightest skinny jeans their frames can handle.

I think I could pull that off.

#owmyballs

Randy is not advocating the rp tenants, he's bringing them up for discussion so that he can see which ones have merit and which ones don't

I disagree NTV, a lot of the language he has used to describe women in this thread would suggest otherwise. As does his advocation of the poon article, sure he can backtrack and play innocent when called out on it by it’s a pretty deceptive - if someone’s going to advocate for this crap then at least own it when called out. He’s not actually bought up many of the tenants at all, so no I don’t believe that he’s innocently bringing this up for a fair and open discussion.

There are plenty of RP and MGTOW sites for this rubbish to be discussed, have you heard about the normalisation of deviance? This red pill rubbish should stay where it belongs.

I’m all for discussion on actual men’s rights and I do believe that we (western society) need to focus more on men’s health issues, we have thousands of young men killing themselves in my industry and it’s only now becoming recognised- this is horrific. And I do see cases where men are disadvantaged in family court, this needs discussion too as do many, many other problems faced by modern men. but discussions on women’s Sexual Market Value 🤮 (including the belief that women hit ‘the wall’ ie become useless after 29) descriptions of women carrying their husbands balls around in their purses, advocating for keeping other women on the side and discussing women being low quality does nothing to further men’s causes. In fact I’d argue that it’s detrimental.

I disagree NTV, a lot of the language he has used to describe women in this thread would suggest otherwise. As does his advocation of the poon article, sure he can backtrack and play innocent when called out on it by it’s a pretty deceptive - if someone’s going to advocate for this crap then at least own it when called out. He’s not actually bought up many of the tenants at all, so no I don’t believe that he’s innocently bringing this up for a fair and open discussion.

There are plenty of RP and MGTOW sites for this rubbish to be discussed, have you heard about the normalisation of deviance? This red pill rubbish should stay where it belongs.

I’m all for discussion on actual men’s rights and I do believe that we (western society) need to focus more on men’s health issues, we have thousands of young men killing themselves in my industry and it’s only now becoming recognised- this is horrific. And I do see cases where men are disadvantaged in family court, this needs discussion too as do many, many other problems faced by modern men. but discussions on women’s Sexual Market Value 🤮 (including the belief that women hit ‘the wall’ ie become useless after 29) descriptions of women carrying their husbands balls around in their purses, advocating for keeping other women on the side and discussing women being low quality does nothing to further men’s causes. In fact I’d argue that it’s detrimental.

QUICK, LOCK THE THREAD AFTER THAT!^^^

So, I guess I read his posts and the common themes in them differently than you did, yuvas. I can't speak to his motives, he can.

I can say that I find it worth discussing. What you see as...

the normalisation of deviance

... well, I see it as an inoculation against a flu. We have bh's and bw's coming here in a state of shock. And while I can't speak to many if the alternatives available to bw's, I can speak to those for to bh's. Many bh's are coming here and facing a quite royal fucking by their spouse and the legal system and who know who else... and then the rp guys are there going 'me too... here's the answer.' Except it isn't the answer. It's snake oil.

You say there is a better place to discuss it, but I think it's probably one of the BEST places, one where the snake oil sales people aren't here to dramatize and manipulate.... not that there isn't some of it going on here but that its individually sourced and not crowd funded.

Yes, I have attempted to interject humor here as a way to alleviate the tension of the topic overall, as the conversations can get heated very quickly. I knew I'd fail from the get go, but... like setting my mind to do 50 pushups in the morning and only getting 20 out... 20 is better than none. I hope it wasn't taking otherwise.

Could be wrong, of course. I'm wrong pretty often. If so, I hope $6mil lets me keep the fedora.

It blows my mind that we are discussing principles that basically turn the abused into the abuser. That these lower quality women are somehow just born this way and are there to be used for nsa sex. The woman that fall for this bullshit that aren't themselves red pill women are often women who have already been used and abused and are looking for someone to love them. You know some of us are brought up thinking, mistakenly, that sex equals love. And the age that women are prayed upon by red pill men is when they are generally more naive, then they get prayed upon and wisen up. How sad that they need to be used and discarded to learn they need to wary of men, that they need to question mens motives in being complimented, taken out etc and then we are accused of being neurotic, suspicious and iver emotional. I mean, how the hell are we supposed to win.

Really, is it really that hard to just be yourself, to let your walls down with a partner and genuinely connect? It is the most amazing experience when fear is not the dominating emotion in a relationship.

I just don't understand why anyone would entertain becoming an abuser because they themselves have been abused. I get the pain and the anger and the hurt. But to treat others like crap because you were treated like crap... nuh uh.

^^ Thank you for all of this, RomanticInnocenc.

The woman that fall for this bullshit that aren't themselves red pill women are often women who have already been used and abused and are looking for someone to love them.

Especially this.

"That is my beliefs I live by. Since I'm not a woman, I have no fucking clue how to pick a male mate that won't cheat. I'm guessing you stay away from alpha type and get a good beta you can boss around."

Boss around? That's what we want and need? Wow.

[This message edited by Lovedyoumore at 5:50 PM, February 2nd (Friday)]

I went there and read for a while. It didn't find anything of value there. It's a den of anger and deceit. I had no idea there were so many men who hated women out there and don't care if they hurt us. In fact they are plotting to do just that. Some of these guys haven't ever been hurt by a woman, they are just being trained to think/ act this way. They don't want stable relationships, they just want to lie and get whatever they can. Totally opposite of this place where we try and heal. They are emotional terrorists.

They are emotional terrorists.

In many ways yes. And they are very often the men you'll run into who want to start an A. The men who come here on the wayward side trying to make amends are a small slice of the AP pool. There are a lot of "red pill" men who are married and looking for sex on the side, and willing to commit awful acts of emotional terrorism to get it.

How do I know? My wife met one. And I know a couple of them in my day to day life (people I work with). These men have no qualms about using "RP knowledge" to twist women up badly, married or not.

That was one line I never crossed, I never pursued married women. But there's a whole section of pickup that's entirely devoted who picking up married women (it's appreciably different than picking up single women). Yes, it's wrong, people even call it the "dark side". But in many ways, it's easier and more likely to lead to NSA sex than going after single women. Sad...

[This message edited by Rideitout at 6:45 PM, February 2nd (Friday)]

What do you all think of the whole "bros before hoes" catchphrase? I think it's great that it values brotherhood - but is it necessary to devalue women by referring to them as hoes? Isn't there a way you can value the brotherhood without making it "us vs. them", which is how I read "bros before hoes"? ETA: as a girl, I *really* don't like being referred to as a ho, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on that. No one likes disparaging language against a demographic they are a part of.

To the guys here: What are some men's right issues that you're concerned about? I'm talking outside of Red Pill and disparaging women (or would this be considered a tj?). What, as men, do you wish you had more support on?

[This message edited by silverhopes at 3:25 AM, February 3rd (Saturday)]

^ BTW, it's hard for me to post that question. Why? Because I feel like a number of men and women on this thread see eye-to-eye, and me asking this question might be "pushing for more" or provoking (or Prokofiev-ing, because it's 1:43am, and lucidity seldom exists at this hour). I don't even know what a "shit test" is - I don't know what half the terms on RP mean - but I've got another layer of self-consciousness now. Reading the RP tenants as a woman, it makes me very wary and in some cases scared. What if every move I make is wrong? What if I am doing something that's offensive to any men around? What if more men than I realize think this way about women? Are the codes of conduct RP espouses something I should already know, something society as a whole expects? Or would someone be understanding that it's not intentional if I'm not well-aligned to societal expectations; it's just ignorance on my part? Another thing about RP: it can make you feel like every footstep is in the wrong, especially if you're a woman. I would even say it seems designed to leave everyone on shaky footing. Why? Because of the negging. One of the theories on childhood education (which I would argue applies to all ages) nowadays is, "Catch them doing good." It doesn't seem like RP gives many, if any, examples of that for women.

Aaaaand, I'll try to be out now. Time to listen to "Heathens" by Twenty-One Pilots and repeat to myself: "It's OK to be different."

ETA: "thread", not "page".

[This message edited by silverhopes at 3:53 AM, February 3rd (Saturday)]

What are some men's right issues that you're concerned about?

Since you asked..

Probably the biggest is reproductive choice and rights. Hormonal birth control for men works just like it does for women and has been illegal for that purpose for 50+ years. The fact that proving a child isn't genetically yours isn't an automatic (or even a manual, in many cases, it's impossible) termination of child support; that's a major men's issue that I see. Support for men who've fallen on hard times, sometime like 90% of the homeless population is men and yet there are scores more female shelters than male. Support for men's health issues, primarily things like prostate cancer and testicular cancer, which impact more men that breast/ovarian cancer but get a fraction of the spending that the female cancers do.

https://prostate.org.nz/2014/01/men-die-earlier-womens-health-gets-four-times-funding/

Divorce laws are another area where I'd like to see some focus, it's patently ridiculous that my wife cheated on me and yet, if I wanted to walk away, she'd would be rewarded handsomely for the time she "had to endure" with me. Yes, this can cut the other way too, but it's rare. Why do we devalue non-monetary things brought to the relationship, OK, my wife is entitled to half the money I make; why don't I get an entitlement to the things that she did for me when we were married? It's terribly dismissive of the things the "non-earner" bring to the marriage, and sets up horrible incentives for that person to cheat because, in some cases, a D is like hitting the lottery. That's not specifically a male issue, but it's typically male issue, so I include it in the list of things I'd like to see advanced.

Finally, child custody/support; the "woman gets the kids unless she's a convicted psychopathic killer who smokes crack in front of the judge" is simply not fair to men. Custody should be 50/50 unless proven, with substantiated fact, that the mother or father is a bad parent. That should be exceedingly rare.

^ Thank you, Rideitout. I think I can hear and appreciate where you're coming from. Those are very important issues. I agree with you that we as a society should address them. How do we start?

Rideitout, you have a pm

Just stopped by to do some reading and say hi 👋.

I guess I’m gonna have to be the one to say what everyone’s been thinking 🤔 If women jumped off a cliff when they turned 31, there would be more resources for everyone else. I mean we really just clog up the world with our less hot and fertile selves. We basically hang out from 30-100ish potential years old being worthless.

Jk. Thanks for the read. I got to have my popcorn 🍿 for breakfast.

I honestly didn't know about red pill until this thread started. I've not gone to any sites to read about it and won't.

Through my career I've met plenty of males that I'll just call "shits". They were always on the prowl and appeared to me to be quite successful. At least they bragged about their conquests when with other men and men who seemed to live vicariously through them. I worked with those men but didn't respect them and actually despised them. I wasn't asked out for beers with those kinds of groups because my feelings were well known.

I had talked about those kinds of guys with my WW before her LTA. Many seemed to prefer married women. Right at the beginning of her adultery she asked me if she should go to happy hour with the people she supervised and I said she should but she needs to be very careful. She should be approachable as the supervisor but be wary that she can be taken advantage of. He was one of them. Happy hour turned into more trips to the lounge with just him and a female "chaperone" and him alone.

I think there is merit in having this topic posted even when even when it offends. It's good to know one needs to keep their wits about them and antennae up when in potential dangerous territory or if it appears you're getting stalked.

I think, now, that WW's AP was a red pill. I told her some time after DDay he must have been reading how to pick up married women or some such thing. He'd done it before and WW knew it. He baited the hook and sat and waited. WW did all of the work and wouldn't cause any problems for him like wanting more time with him. When they travelled he came to her room, the fucked and he left. When at home, he called her, she went to his place, they fucked and she left. He never even offered a refreshment when she was there. He didn't need to. She was a side piece just a phone call away. He phoned her everyday at noon and after work when he went home and she stopped at his place on her way home from work or for nooners. WW knew there was at least one woman before her but believes he wouldn't have cheated on her. He had no expense of any kind of money or time. Everything was done through work and it was incredibly easy for him.

Anyway, I think it's a good reminder that there are lots of predators out there in the real world and one needs to know that in the jungle. They stalk and hunt and apparently have success. How many broken and crippled prey do they leave in their wake?

Someone way back wrote about real men. I agree wholeheartedly. Those are the kind of men I like to associate with. Alpha, beta, so what. Can you be alpha in some things and beta in others? I think so. But so what. Honourable, committed, having integrity, character - I think I'll just try to do those things and more as best I can and not try to make myself into a predator.