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 MissingHer2 (original poster member #59767) posted at 3:41 AM on Sunday, September 24th, 2017

5454real,

You're right. Kind of odd/twisted that she is the one saying I was only about the money. Freudian slip?

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Sharkman ( member #56818) posted at 10:50 AM on Sunday, September 24th, 2017

The best part is when she parades her 'new money' around she'll quickly see that women in that circle haven't attached themselves to fat disgusting guys two decades older. She'll want the good looking 35 year old doctor who makes the same amount next, but will go for some 35 year old guy living in mom's basement and then convince herself that she has the best of both worlds.

Certain people have certain patterns.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 11:17 AM on Sunday, September 24th, 2017

You're right. Kind of odd/twisted that she is the one saying I was only about the money. Freudian slip?

I think it is very revealing about one of her motivations for the A, and who she has become.

That is her problem. However this pans out, it is heartening to see that you have not changed as a person, or let any of it compromise your integrity. The 'in it for the money' thing shows her thinking.

Her comment about not being 'done with you...Yet' looks awfully cold and calculating. I know I termed it 'the beast', but it looks like she has incorporated a rather unpleasant element into her personality now, and that she feels justified about doing it. It reminds me of a phrase I heard once: "He got what he wanted, but he lost what he had". I think that applies to your wife, but she cannot see how much of herself she has lost by embracing her avaricious side and infidelity. However this turns out, you will come out of it an honest person, with your integrity, and your decency intact. And you will be stronger for it, because you know those are unshakeable, and they are the core of what makes you the good guy you are.

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RubixCubed ( member #51615) posted at 3:33 PM on Sunday, September 24th, 2017

You're right. Kind of odd/twisted that she is the one saying I was only about the money. Freudian slip?

It's projection.

She's accusing you of her faults.

"But I'm trying, Ringo. I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd."

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 MissingHer2 (original poster member #59767) posted at 3:38 PM on Sunday, September 24th, 2017

She deactivated her Facebook some time this morning. Second time she has done that. First time was when she found out I told her brother.

I haven't done anything to cause it this time. That I know of. Hopefully trouble in Fantasy land.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 1:26 AM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Hopefully trouble in Fantasy land.

Although she may think she is in control, she is actually in freefall, and giving in to the selfish, amoral parts of herself has just one destination. One day, she is going to wonder why she ever boarded this train, when it promised her so little, and delivered even less, but clarity is not her current focus.

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 MissingHer2 (original poster member #59767) posted at 1:59 AM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Although she may think she is in control, she is actually in freefall

I agree. She isn't even in control of herself. It seems she could also be in a MLC too.

[This message edited by MissingHer2 at 8:28 PM, September 24th (Sunday)]

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 10:07 AM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Missing

You need to understand some stuff about reconciliation.

Just in case it ever comes to that because I don’t think she understands anything about it.

If your wife came back and said something like “OK – I’m willing to give this marriage one more try, but you have to do this and that and change this and that and we will never talk about what happened” then it’s doomed to fail.

If she came back and you two went all-out at making things better you two might have a great marriage for some time, but she couldn’t ever say “I’m so glad I had the affair. It made us realize what we have”. That “great” marriage would be based on false premises.

I think the best comparison is this:

Imagine you live an unhealthy life. You eat unhealthy. You don’t exercise. You wake up late, drink a gallon of coffee, shave in the car as you commute to work. You shout at other drivers, cut corners and are always late. Your job is stressful and you are behind. For lunch, it’s a hamburger and shake and the 18th cigarette of the day. On the way home, you stop for some fried chicken and your daily six-pack of Coors. Once home you crash in front of TV eating your chicken, drinking your beer (and an occasional shot) and ignoring your bills.

One day you feel this pain spreading from your left arm to your chest. Next thing you know it’s a week later and you are recovering from a major cardiac arrest at the local ER. A doctor is telling you that if you carry on the way you have then you won’t make the inevitable next attack.

So… You decide to make changes. You read up on healthy diets. You even contact a nutritionist to help you along. You get a membership card at a local gym. You get running shoes. You cut back on the coffee. You decide to stop smoking…

All these things are DECISSIONS. They are the first steps in actions. But they are only decisions. Those go-faster shoes don’t burn any calories in the cupboard. That membership card does no good squirreled away in your wallet. Those healthy menus are no good if you only read them.

You ACT. You start making the changes and implementing them. Some are tough and there might be relapses. Like you might start smoking every couple of months… Or you might not feel like making your daily three-mile morning run. But you stick to it. Despite relapses then the positives kick in.

Five years from that day you nearly died you are feeling better than ever before. You are living healthy, are fit, in great physical shape, handle stress, happier at work than ever before. It would have cost you though. It cost you membership fees, paying a personal trainer, a nutritionist, vitamins, health-supplements and time. IMMENSE time and effort.

At that point you might look back but you would NEVER EVER say “Thank God I started smoking back in the days. That was a major contributor to my cardiac arrest and that was the catalyst that made me change my life”.

You would realize the damage these things did to you and the hard work needed to make things right. You would look back at your past life with regret, knowing that you could be in your present condition without ever having reached that low.

It’s the same with reconciliation and marriage after infidelity. You can have the best marriage in the world without ever experiencing infidelity. You could have done the work before it reached that stage. If both partners are clearly and conscientiously working at bettering themselves and bettering the marriage the chances of infidelity are minimal. Once the marriage reaches the low of infidelity you can commit to reconciliation – just like that fat, stressed, unhealthy you went from burgers and the couch to a healthier place. It’s HARD WORK and takes TIME and it costs RESOURCES.

Right now your wife is in control of the next steps. Even IF she comes and offers R it won’t be on the correct terms. To use the health-scare comparison again: It’s like your left foot and your right foot are not running together on that daily three mile run.

I can’t stress hard enough Missing the importance of YOU taking control. To me the below is your best bet for getting her into reconciliation OR for you to get conclusion to your situation:

“There is only one thing that I fear more than divorcing you. I would do nearly anything to make this marriage work. The ONLY THING I refuse is to SHARE YOU. That is what I fear the most. I am getting out of infidelity. If that is through divorce then so be it. I am at peace with that decision. You have a small window of opportunity where I might be willing to work on our marriage, but I am STILL keeping my momentum to get out of infidelity”.

BTW – the money issue…

It’s only justification. It’s human nature to justify our actions, no matter how bad or stupid they are. For her it’s easier to say “Well… WHB was a financial loser and a burden on me and only with me for the money” rather than “Well… We made joint decisions that caused an inequality in income and me cheating financially impacted WHB situation.”

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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 MissingHer2 (original poster member #59767) posted at 10:33 AM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

If your wife came back and said something like “OK – I’m willing to give this marriage one more try, but you have to do this and that and change this and that and we will never talk about what happened” then it’s doomed to fail.

If she came back and you two went all-out at making things better you two might have a great marriage for some time, but she couldn’t ever say “I’m so glad I had the affair. It made us realize what we have”. That “great” marriage would be based on false premises.

Your comparison is a good one. I'm willing to put in the hard work. Unfortunately, unless some major changes happen with her and her way of thinking it will be a moot point. Right now it doesn't seem like she is really even thinking about coming back. She seems to just be living in the moment and doing what ever makes her "happy" for that moment. Although I'm pretty sure she really isn't happy.

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Chappie ( member #56407) posted at 12:29 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Anytime a person believes they could forgive an affair inthis situation and reconcile, the very first thing that should be done is blow the affair up at work. How easy this would have been if big ugly fat fucker had been scrambling to save himself all this time instead of leisurely taking his time with your wife.

A job is never more important than ones marriage.

Why does she care how much you get in the divorce, Buff makes double her salary. He can take care of her fine since he still has a job.

Leaving them to work together is tantamount to falling on your sword so they could be happy together. Screw that.

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Chappie ( member #56407) posted at 12:41 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Anytime a person believes they could forgive an affair inthis situation and reconcile, the very first thing that should be done is blow the affair up at work. How easy this would have been if big ugly fat fucker had been scrambling to save himself all this time instead of leisurely taking his time with your wife.

A job is never more important than ones marriage.

Why does she care how much you get in the divorce, Buff makes double her salary. He can take care of her fine since he still has a job.

Leaving them to work together is tantamount to falling on your sword so they could be happy together. Screw that.

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 MissingHer2 (original poster member #59767) posted at 12:48 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

I would suspect they haven’t hid it all that well at work and I’m pretty sure coworkers have noticed.

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Chappie ( member #56407) posted at 5:44 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

Companies get sued for letting superiors have affairs with subordinates.

I doubt very much that HR is aware. It's even worse if other people know. They will think she is getting privileges they don't. That can cause lawsuits too.

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 MissingHer2 (original poster member #59767) posted at 6:26 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

She doesn’t report to him. He is in a different department. Still very wrong though and I’m sure against policy for a multi-billion dollar company.

I really don’t think there is anything I can do now to end the A. It will either run its course or she will get her D. Whatever comes first I guess.

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 MissingHer2 (original poster member #59767) posted at 10:25 PM on Monday, September 25th, 2017

This post may be more venting or ranting I don't know.

I guess I'm still in shock or disbelief that this is really happening. I keep thinking back to the person that I was with the last 11 years. It seemed that she was never capable of anything like this. Maybe she does have an idea or maybe she doesn't but this is just about the cruelest thing you can do to your spouse.

Certainly having the A is terrible. But to have the A with little to no remorse (not even fake remorse) and continue the A and continue to lie to me. She really has treated me like a piece of trash. Trading me for another. To be completely blindsided is just awful! Then for her to file for D so quickly. This is all just so surreal.

I want to hate her so much for what she has done and continues to do; but I just can't. I hate the actions she has taken but I still very much love her as a person. I don't even know how that's possible. It must be all the good times, how caring, honest and loving she always was. Will she ever return to being that person? I miss that person so much.

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goalong ( member #57352) posted at 1:16 AM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

Strength to you. Time is a healer. Seems like already you are doing well despite her betrayal. Best response is doing your work to your best and be in control. Things and people change, sometime without any warning best thing one can do is not to fall victim to their selfish actions. She may or may not come back. Showing strength in the face of her evil actions will also impress her and convince her how much of a vile person she has become

[This message edited by goalong at 7:17 PM, September 25th (Monday)]

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Chappie ( member #56407) posted at 6:08 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

The speed of this and the pitiful choice of a man to cheat with leads me to believe she has been thinking about getting out of the marriage for some time. This has all the earmarks of an exit affair.

I mean look at what he has to offer. Is it the money. It sure wasn't his looks. Is he that smooth of a talker? More likely she saw him as an escape along with him being able to advance his career.

Personally, I would still blow this up at her work. Damn the torpedos. If some one attacks my family,trust me, they will rue the day.

One of my favorite threads was a few years ago when a principal banged one of his teachers. Her husband went to the school board and had him fired. When he found out where he landed he had him fired there too. And he has done this several more times.

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 MissingHer2 (original poster member #59767) posted at 9:02 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

The speed of this and the pitiful choice of a man to cheat with leads me to believe she has been thinking about getting out of the marriage for some time. This has all the earmarks of an exit affair.

Maybe or Maybe not. Although I really don't think so. What it has show me is more about her underlying personality. Things that I did noticed when we first got together. But seemed to get toned down a little bit over time. I don't know maybe she started to take on my personality a little bit during the marriage. She is a risk taker, impulsive, keeps her emotions bottled up inside (depending on what we are talking about). I noticed the traits of risk taking and being impulsive right off the bat during our first date.

If it doesn't work out with her (right now it certainly looks like it won't) At least I know what qualities I want or don't want in my next wife. This is if I'm lucky enough to find my next wife. Not ready to think about that.

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ISurvived7734 ( member #60205) posted at 9:50 PM on Tuesday, September 26th, 2017

I am 37 and my wife is 38. We have been married for 7 years and together for 11. We have no children.

I know you've heard this before but - come on, dude. Walk away and embrace your new life! Fate has given you a do-over so take it and run with it. None of this is worth throwing away the best years of your life trying to reconcile with a cheater. Add in that she is an unrepentant cheater and, well, come on dude!

I want to hate her so much for what she has done and continues to do; but I just can't.

What you need is to detach from her. The key is no contact. End all contact with her and focus on yourself and your personal recovery. You will be surprised at how quickly you detach from her and, when that begins to happen, you will see your path forward much more clearly. The time will come, sooner than you think, that you will look back and be grateful to her for revealing her true self.

[This message edited by ISurvived7734 at 3:54 PM, September 26th (Tuesday)]



"I always look both ways when crossing a one-way street. That's how much faith I have in humanity..."

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Sybo ( member #46689) posted at 1:06 AM on Wednesday, September 27th, 2017

The time will come, sooner than you think, that you will look back and be grateful to her for revealing her true self.

100% on point !! They just sort of become this thing that made/make you really sick...an emotional cancer. Once they're out of your headspace it's like you cured the cancer.

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