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seaandsun ( member #79952) posted at 10:53 PM on Wednesday, February 16th, 2022

I read what you wrote.

my horizons darkened. How did you convince yourself of r for years. (30s to 50s)

your wife is offended that you exposed the ap. she would like you to sort it out between you. she thinks you will take action to switch to r because, it is a story that has been repeated for years.she doesn't believe you will divorce her.

(I don't think a woman who has been cheating for years cares about issues such as divorce/marriage).

she knows you don't want to lose your wife. she also knows that he can forgive many times. she doesn't expect you to be different this time..

Good luck

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Summertime22 ( member #79796) posted at 11:53 PM on Wednesday, February 16th, 2022

My heart is with you. I know how it’s feels to not be able to eat but full of nervous energy. Thoughts racing. You can’t relax, watch a film etc No concentration . It’s so, so tough when you feel like this. I am there with you and I understand. I know how it feels.

It will get easier. I am sending you a hug, I know what it feels like. The one thing I do know it that the only way is up. We deserve better and we will find it. Hugs. X

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 12:05 AM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

seaandssun

I read what you wrote.

my horizons darkened. How did you convince yourself of r for years. (30s to 50s)

your wife is offended that you exposed the ap. she would like you to sort it out between you. she thinks you will take action to switch to r because, it is a story that has been repeated for years.she doesn't believe you will divorce her.

(I don't think a woman who has been cheating for years cares about issues such as divorce/marriage).

she knows you don't want to lose your wife. she also knows that he can forgive many times. she doesn't expect you to be different this time..

Good luck

Wife has no idea I exposed the ap. Or do you mean that I found out about the affair?
She's slowly starting to realize that she's finally gone too far. I'm calling lawyers, gathering friends for support, and making plans to get out, I don't think she's quite out of her daze yet.
I'm distancing myself from her as much as I can. We don't talk unless she starts it and it's about house/kids/money.
I won't stay in the same room as her.
Believe me, she's starting to get it.

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 12:07 AM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

Summertime22

My heart is with you. I know how it’s feels to not be able to eat but full of nervous energy. Thoughts racing. You can’t relax, watch a film etc No concentration . It’s so, so tough when you feel like this. I am there with you and I understand. I know how it feels.

It will get easier. I am sending you a hug, I know what it feels like. The one thing I do know it that the only way is up. We deserve better and we will find it. Hugs. X

Thank you so much, your kinds words really do help, as does your understanding. We will both overcome this and be stronger and better for it.

(((hugs))) right back!!

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 3:11 AM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

Just really feeling it tonight.

Why did she do this?

Two families ruined. Six children looking at a parent and wondering how they could do that to them.

My heart is aching right now. I want the pain gone, I want my love back , yet right now I hate her for the person she’s become.

Why?

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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Riverz ( member #79713) posted at 3:19 AM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

Wantnomore, I’ve been going through the same heartbreaking agony and asking the same question...WHY???

How does somebody do this to the ones they supposedly love??

But it’s all in vain...there are no answers. We can never understand because people like you and I would NEVER do such things...we just don’t have it in our DNA to betray someone we love dearly.

They are fucked up people...that’s the only answer. And it doesn’t really provide us with much relief from the soulcrushing pain...but just know you’re not alone.

Sending you a big (((hug))).

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HomieAintRight ( new member #79903) posted at 4:17 AM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

I also find myself asking Why???? Why would he do this to our daughters? Why would he choose this broken family for all of us? Why would he dispose of me like garbage? Why is this happening to me?

All of the Whys torment me.

I had an angry day today. I was mad. I prayed for God to deal with both of them. I’m tired of being the ‘bigger person’ and trying to have compassion in my heart & to work toward forgiving him for this unimaginable betrayal. I know I will get back on that path... but today I was mad.

I’m sorry you are hurting. I’m sorry you are enduring this pit of hell brought to you by someone who was supposed to love you. I’m sorry there are people in this world who do not respect marriage and did not respect your marriage.

No one deserves this. Focus on removing yourself from the life of someone who does not give a shit about you or your feelings. That’s what I will try to do. Tomorrow. Today, I need to be angry.

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 10:42 AM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

Riverz

Wantnomore, I’ve been going through the same heartbreaking agony and asking the same question...WHY???

How does somebody do this to the ones they supposedly love??

But it’s all in vain...there are no answers. We can never understand because people like you and I would NEVER do such things...we just don’t have it in our DNA to betray someone we love dearly.

They are fucked up people...that’s the only answer. And it doesn’t really provide us with much relief from the soulcrushing pain...but just know you’re not alone.

I think she expects me to act like nothing has happened, or to do the pick-me dance. Of course, that was what happened in the past. I didn't really stand up to her and assert my demands to stay together, I was content to let it slip by with a few I'm sorry's and a bit more sex.

Now I've been doing my best at the 180 - I don't talk to her unless it's regarding the kids or household business. No chit-chat, no "how you doing," no "tell me about your day," none of that. I think she's having a hard time handling my effectively going hands off on pretty much everything.

I admit had entertained a long-shot fantasy that she would come to me and tell me she would whatever she needed to try to work things out, but I now realize that is just that - a fantasy. She is incapable of accepting the blame for her actions, choosing instead to play the victim. It's actually a bit sad now. She doesn't realize that while I share blame for problems in the marriage, this falls entirely on her shoulders.

Sending you a big (((hug))).


Thank you so much. I read this last night after I posted, and the support and care was very comforting.

(((Hugging))) you right back in thanks...

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 8:45 PM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

HomieAintRight

I also find myself asking Why???? Why would he do this to our daughters? Why would he choose this broken family for all of us? Why would he dispose of me like garbage? Why is this happening to me?

All of the Whys torment me.

Some days they don't, but the last couple have not been. It's still all to fresh though.


I had an angry day today. I was mad. I prayed for God to deal with both of them. I’m tired of being the ‘bigger person’ and trying to have compassion in my heart & to work toward forgiving him for this unimaginable betrayal. I know I will get back on that path... but today I was mad.

I prefer mad days - these days are too painful.

"I am hurt, but I am not slain;
I'll lay me down and bleed a while,
And then I'll rise and fight again."

I’m sorry you are hurting. I’m sorry you are enduring this pit of hell brought to you by someone who was supposed to love you. I’m sorry there are people in this world who do not respect marriage and did not respect your marriage.

No one deserves this. Focus on removing yourself from the life of someone who does not give a shit about you or your feelings. That’s what I will try to do. Tomorrow. Today, I need to be angry.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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DoinBettr ( member #71209) posted at 9:49 PM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

I admit had entertained a long-shot fantasy that she would come to me and tell me she would whatever she needed to try to work things out, but I now realize that is just that - a fantasy.


I would tell you what I learned in my situation. You still file for divorce and start the process. This is to show them that you mean business. That this is the consequence and that you are done. Let her beg to the edge, then beg some more. She would have to do more than accept the blame, she would have to move mountains.
You don't have to stay married to be with her. She should have to earn you back. She has pushed you away more than once. Now it is her turn to pull you back into the marriage.

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 10:17 PM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

Oh she hasn't really accepted blame. And I don't see her begging to stay together. I think we're both pretty much done with each other. Not in a nasty way, but in a time-to-move-on/grown-apart kinda way.

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 10:55 PM on Thursday, February 17th, 2022

Please understand that people cheat because they want to. There might be childhood issues, undiagnosed mental issues but if they can make decisions, shop, change sheets, do laundry, have a job then they cannot use the excuse that they don’t know better. I have great sympathy for folks who had rotten childhoods but they still knew what they were doing was wrong. Please put that question away. You will never get an answer that will satisfy you. My husband never got turned down. Never. But he still cheated.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 3:11 AM on Friday, February 18th, 2022

I get that, I do. But like Riverz said, I would never do that to someone I love, I cannot understand how someone could.
I realize the why will never get answered, but the questions will always remain.

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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Riverz ( member #79713) posted at 3:20 AM on Friday, February 18th, 2022

How are you feeling about everything tonight, Wantnomore?

Evenings tend to be hard for me these days. I’m crying less during the day, but maybe the ADs are wearing off by nighttime.

Sometimes memories and thoughts just haunt me...and they get the better of me. I was thinking tonight about the emails I saw where he was telling one of his fuck buddies that "my wife found out I was cheating"...it killed me to read that...just killed me.

Infidelity is truly despicable...and it’s the gift that keeps on giving. I look forward to the day where I can look back on it as a blessing to be rid of that fucked up asshole who never deserved me.

Wishing you peace.

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 10:36 AM on Friday, February 18th, 2022

Tonight was a good night. We, as a family, went to my youngest daughters HS musical. She had a bit part and did a really nice job. It was so much fun to see her singing and dancing and just loving every second of it!

My wife wound up sitting next to my Mom, who knows about everything. W doesn't know she knows, but I felt bad for Mom because it couldn't be comfortable for her. She was shocked when I told her, she said we always seemed so happy together and she genuinely loved my W like a daughter.

OBS texted me during the show, she was concerned because her WH, who she kicked out of the house temporarily (BEFORE she found out) is staying with a friend, and that friend was gone. She was worried he was "entertaining." I was glad I was able to put her mind at rest.

Memories haunt me too, as do the mind movies. Every time I wistfully hope we can find a way through this and stay together I think about how I'd likely just be here again in a few months. I am more and more resolved on D. I know that sounds silly at this point, it should be absolutely unquestionably the only way forward at this point, but I still think back on our life and family and wish we could fix everything and move on. But those moments are just that - moments. I guess it's part of the process, because they only last for moments, and then the reality that she's not worth staying with reasserts itself.

I think that's progress.

[This message edited by wantnomore at 10:41 AM, Friday, February 18th]

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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HalfTime2017 ( member #64366) posted at 5:04 PM on Friday, February 18th, 2022

Wantnomore- Don't stress about going back and forth. Of course in the back in your mind you're still hopeful. Its not something that goes away overnight. Just focus on the kids and you, and it will work out.

If you want any proof that you're doing the right thing, just look around the forum in the DS forum and also on JFO and see all the repeats. Take a quick look at the R forum too, and you'll see its not an easy journey, even with WWs that are a bit better than yours at this stage. YOu don't have much to work with.

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Trdd ( member #65989) posted at 5:41 PM on Friday, February 18th, 2022

Yes, that is progress!

Keep up that 180.

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Riverz ( member #79713) posted at 7:22 PM on Friday, February 18th, 2022

Wantnomore, glad you had a lovely evening with your family.

And like others have said, it’s totally normal to have those back and forth feelings. I have them too...but I just remind myself, in those moments when I fleetingly think things could work out, of the hell and cruelty he willingly inflicted on me with no mercy or compassion. And that keeps me on the right path...the one that leads away from him and his disgusting and vile existence.

Sending you strength.

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Sordid ( member #50143) posted at 7:26 PM on Friday, February 18th, 2022

I don't have much problem answering the "why" question; but my answer is based on my understanding of the human mind and human consciousness, not on understanding love or relationships.

In a nutshell, I believe that most people expect that other people have some consistent, unchanging (or slowly changing) "true self", and that whatever mask they may be putting on to blend into a particular crowd or social situation, it's still fundamentally "them" underneath. As a corollary, I believe most spouses believe that they know their spouse well enough to have a pretty good handle on who their "true self" is.

I don't think that's accurate. If you look at some of the fascinating research in neuropsychology-- for example, with schizophrenic patients, or with victims of certain types of strokes-- I think there's compelling evidence that our minds are really made of small, specialized subcomponents, that usually map directly to a particular physical area of the brain. In some manner that we do not yet understand, the communication between these various areas gives rise to self-awareness. Also for reasons I haven't seen anyone even attempt to explain, that self-awareness thinks of itself as a single entity, rather than as a collection of output from a bunch of specialized processing units. (Some schizophrenic patients, particularly when taking some medications, are able to clearly distinguish between two or more separate voices inside their brain. Meanwhile, there are many interesting stories about strokes causing damage to only a single area in the brain, with the resulting person thinking and acting in ways that completely defy our intuition about what is core/central to making us who we are.)

Getting back to my original point: most of us expect other people to be very consistent from day to day and situation to situation. This is a terrible blind spot, that causes a lot of suffering in the world. A concrete example is childhood sexual abuse. 90% of children who are sexually abused, are abused by someone they know. For children age 6 and younger, about 50% of the time it's a family member. Even for teenagers, a whopping 25% or so who are abused, are abused by a relative. Why is this possible? I believe the answer is because parents and other authority figures know the abuser, have known them for a long time, and "know" that the abuser is a good person. A loyal friend, a helpful community member, a church leader. A person who has done a lot of good. The abuser is the authority figure's brother or sister, or son or daughter, or-- very common with teenage girls-- the abused teen's step-father. And because the authority figure "knows" the abuser in all of these other contexts, their brain simply refuses to see any warning signs that they might be sexually abusing the child. Their brain actively contrives unlikely scenarios to account for troubling data, to the point where it's automatically done and the person isn't even conscious of doing it. Children go on being sexually abused for years after the abuser would have been spotted, if the people around the child understood that no matter how well they know someone, they only ever know part of them, and they shouldn't assume that part represents who that person is at all times.

It's the same phenomenon as Nazi guards and researchers in concentration camps, who were loving parents and dedicated to taking care of their elderly parents. It's the same factor that leads some men to feel like the old saying, "I want a wife who is a lady in public and a slut in the bedroom".

It's my belief that in real life, no one is a single, unified mono-entity, who has consistent thoughts and consistent values and consistent beliefs all the time. That's an illusion created by our self-awareness. In real life, people can have wildly inconsistent beliefs, not just one day to the next, but one minute to the next. In real life, a person can have complete, utter clarity about how they feel at one time, and then hours later, be equally certain that they feel otherwise-- and they'll be correct both times, because they are made up of many different mental parts, each of which mostly performs its task in its own way, with its own priorities, and then self-awareness somehow tries to make the results all fit together.

A WS can love their BS in the moment, while they're together, and can make statements about the future that they truly believe. Then, hours or days or weeks later, they can see their AP, and talk shit about their BS, and make totally different statements about the future, and they will truly believe every word of it. It's not like having multiple personalities; multiple personalities is like have more than one internally consistent, whole person inhabiting the same body. Rather, it's that the idea of humans being one consistent, relatively static "person" is just false to begin with. We're all a collection of often conflicting thoughts, desires, priorities, etc.

One of the reasons that societies encourage moral codes-- often in the form of religion, but not necessarily so-- is so that its members can apply reason and self restraint in order to act within certain boundaries, regardless of how they're thinking and feeling at the moment. One of the reasons many societies emphasize the sanctity of marriage is because of the long-term benefits, to both children and adults, of placing a barrier to simply choosing to be with whoever you feel like being with at the moment-- if we always wanted to be with the same person, marriage wouldn't serve much purpose.

Anyway, when I read most of the accounts on these forums, I'm usually not too confused by the 'why'. I don't have any trouble imagining a person who is a doting parent and loving spouse part of the time, being a risk-seeking, unempathetic ball of near pure libido at other times. To me, the only question is whether there were ever effective moral/ethical/normative systems in place that kept the person from acting on their inconsistent desires, and if so, why they stopped working.

“One of the cruelest things you can do to another person is pretend you care about them more than you really do.” Douglas Coupland

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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 8:41 PM on Friday, February 18th, 2022

Halftime2017

Wantnomore- Don't stress about going back and forth. Of course in the back in your mind you're still hopeful. Its not something that goes away overnight. Just focus on the kids and you, and it will work out.

Riverz

And like others have said, it’s totally normal to have those back and forth feelings. I have them too...

Thank you both immensely, you have no idea how much that helps settle my mind. I was afraid there was something wrong with me for having those moments. It's comforting to hear that you have them as well, and that my almost immediate memory of the shit I've been through sounds like part of the process.

Me: BH (57)Her: STBXWW (52)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, but I do learn eventually. D started 11/11/22

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