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 DaninOH (original poster member #69121) posted at 11:20 PM on Monday, December 17th, 2018

I am adding a family location app to all of our phones.

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Robert22205https ( member #65547) posted at 11:21 PM on Monday, December 17th, 2018

"I didn't promise him sex." Of course she didn't. She was making him work for it. She was increasing her value to herself and to him by playing a little hard to get. By being a "rare" commodity vs. a "common" commodity she was increasing her perception of her value to herself. In the end that's what a lot of affairs are about, increasing one's self-perceived value.

Devotedman's comment provides a reasonable explanation for her behavior.

Unfortunately, she needs to stop lying to herself and you about what where the affair was headed. Otherwise she can't fix herself or make herself safe for you.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 11:21 PM on Monday, December 17th, 2018

Her timeline leaves alot of "what ifs"

What if I hadn't gone?

What if I hadn't come here for advise?

What if she had text him a warning?

What if I hadn't been suspicious?

What if I hadn't checked the phone records like you guys said?

What if OM had just played it cool?

What if he had kicked my ass?

What if I hadn't grabbed her phone that night?

What if he had driven her to his place for lunch?

What if she had just acted like a good wife and mother?

Ask your wife. Get her to write out a response to all of these questions. It will be good for both of you. It will certainly make her engage with the situation that she created.

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 11:22 PM on Monday, December 17th, 2018

Have you asked her point blank why she wanted to have an A with POSOM ? why him ? had she had other OMs in the past ? and why she didn't stop him and in fact PLANNED to continue the A ?. Ask her to be honest and admit she WANTED or would have allowed OM to have full blown sex with her, if she's trying to bee honest she will say "Yes" (that's what people in A do when in close proximity), then tell her she would have been exposing herself/you to potentially life threatening STDs (as a matter of fact she already did since some STDs can be transmitted via saliva). Ask her if she's willing to report OM to HR for sexual harassment ? if she refuses, it means she's still protecting the OM.

The "What's he doing here" means he knew about you, he didn't say "I thought/you told me you were single", what did she say to the co-worker when she went for drinks at the party ?. Ask her point blank if she has spoken to OM after the party.

[This message edited by Buster123 at 5:25 PM, December 17th (Monday)]

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Chili ( member #35503) posted at 11:27 PM on Monday, December 17th, 2018

Hi Dan. You have received some great advice from the old timers around here (the ones with lower join dates who have been contributing for a long time). They have seen lots of situations on this site and are often some distance from their own journey with infidelity.

I too have resisted posting, but there's a few things I wanted to pass your way.

Your ultimate goal is to get out of infidelity in the healthiest way possible that protects the innocents in this mess - your children. Keeping them out of the middle and getting some professional help for all of you are ideas I wholeheartedly second.

And within that protection framework you should make sure you are doing things legally. Bigger has cautioned you about kicking her out or preventing her access to the house or belongings. Whether you think she deserves them or not, your wife does have legal rights. Tread carefully and have no regrets down the road with your actions now.

Finally, you have been asked an awful lot of salacious questions on this thread. Please don't feel you have to answer anything that makes you. You don't owe anyone here anything and I don't see how answering them would help you get out of infidelity.

Rooting for you.

2012 pretty much sucked.
Things no longer suck.
Took off flying solo with the co-pilot chili dog.
"Life teaches you how to live it if you live long enough" - Tony Bennett

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toughtotrust ( member #58470) posted at 11:34 PM on Monday, December 17th, 2018

are you ok

Possible response:

yes but dan found out about robert and the others

DO not do this, This could start rumors that circle back to you. All the sudden, you start believing that your wife is having multiple affairs, because you planted a seed to someone who is likely just a work friend, who knows your wife resigned after the party.

Yes, find out about this person, but do not start rumors.

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 11:36 PM on Monday, December 17th, 2018

I think I am going to drive to in-laws latter and plant the var in her car and leave her phone on the seat.

That's a great idea, you may even want to get some direct answers from her while you're at it (see my previous post), also read Stevenz letter and have that convo with her, but it's up to you, if you feel you're not ready to have that initial in-depth talk with her, take as much time as you need. If you decide not to talk to her, make sure she knows she has a new phone in her car.

[This message edited by Buster123 at 5:37 PM, December 17th (Monday)]

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ShutterHappy ( member #64318) posted at 11:52 PM on Monday, December 17th, 2018

I think I am going to drive to in-laws latter and plant the var in her car and leave her phone on the seat.

There’s a small chance that she reads this or will read this

Me: BH
Divorced, remarried.
I plan on living forever. So far so good

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SorrowfulMoon ( member #59925) posted at 12:03 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

She did text him that Saturday and Sunday while she was out of the house. It didn't sound like they were planning to meet up

Sorry, somewhat confused. Are these texts after the party incident? Were they from your niece's phone?

The incompetence of their affair beggars belief and her naivety is mind-blowing. I would think from this that this must be her first or she is just plain stupid. Who knows?

She continues to minimise and deflect. She must tell your daughters that she betrayed your marriage; not got too close to a COW! Please tell her if she continues with this type of bs that your marriage will be over, if it isn't already.

She thought you might leave her? Talk about a self-fulfilling prophesy....

Many WS's have done far worse but that is little consolation. To me this is recoverable but that is up to you. Is she worth it? How will it impact your daughters? Can you live with it even if she becomes truly remorseful?

You have the control Dan. Oh and keep that dry sense of humour ... You might use it on her, asking her if she has met any sexy talking Italian guys lately.. or perhaps not...

[This message edited by SorrowfulMoon at 6:06 PM, December 17th (Monday)]

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toughtotrust ( member #58470) posted at 12:04 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

Here are some possible discrepancies I see:

1. They only held hands after the first lunch, but this was around the time she started to mention that you didn't need to go to the party. Based on "excitement" from hand holding she wanted more? If the story proves to be true, there needs to be a lot of explanation about this.

2. She didn't tell him you would be there. If this checks out as true, its a good sign. But you saw her bring her phone into the bathroom with her.

Were they communicating with any other apps? Many games have chat functions and there are lots of social media accounts as well.

3. Can she verify those nights she said she went to the gym?

I wouldn't read too much into her telling your daughter's it was a "Mistake" vs a decision. It's a thought process that leads every BS to say that. They need to be told and understand it was a bad decision, not a mistake. And the minimization by saying "got to close" is appropriate at this point. Your daughters don't need the details and can infer what that may or may not mean.

[This message edited by toughtotrust at 6:05 PM, December 17th (Monday)]

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devotedman ( member #45441) posted at 12:05 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

Each SI thread (like this one) is limited by the board software to 1,000 posts. Once yours hits that just make a new thread in JFO (or wherever is appropriate) titled something like "Wife acting strange Part 2". That'll be fine. Nothing to worry about and now you know!

This has all happened so very fast. Are you eating? Drinking water (no alcohol, it is a depressant and you don't need more of that right now)? Sleeping? Here's the beginner's drill that we try to give out but may have missed:

Eat - little meals, more frequently that you otherwise would. Your brain needs to cope with this and running a brain on no fuel means no correct thinking. Drop down to simple, healthy, protein-rich foods if you need. If you can't eat then Smoothies or a product like Ensure, Muscle Milk, etc.

Drink - Water, no alcohol. Fruit juices (real ones, not flavored junk) are good, too.

Sleep - naps if necessary. For the first month or so I couldn't sleep more than an hour a night. I lost a pound a day for 20 days and a half-pound a day for another 10 days or so. The Infidelity Diet we call it. I called it the 2x2x2 diet. 2 hours of sleep, 2 packs of cigarettes, and 2 pots of coffee per day was what I lived on. My body cannibalized my fat and muscle, and my thoughts and anxiety showed it. Don't be me.

Our brains are layered up. Low, low down there's the lizard brain. It comes out earlier in men than women, typically, and when it does it is time to put a conversation to rest for an hour or so to recover. Google this and learn to recognize it in you and your WW.

Next up is what I call the Little Mammal. It sits down there and says, "Gimme." It doesn't want plans, it doesn't want thinking (thinking burns calories and for 99% of our existence calories have been in short supply). It wants what it wants and Status Quo is easiest on it. No thinking, save calories, and, worst for us, No Change.

Finally there's the thinking and reasoning parts of our brains. I often think that this part's most important job is to justify to ourselves and others decisions made by the lower two parts.

Your brain is going to try to do a primitive "saving throw" of brush it all, or the hardest bits, under the rug. This is normal human behavior. You are a normal human, as is your WW and your kids. From an evolutionary point of view your kids, deep down, believe that their lives depend upon keeping the family together because more folks means more survival chances.

Become aware of these things and sit back and watch each person go through their roles. I know that that requires a level of detachment that you might not be capable of right now, but try to be more aware of what is going on, watch the dynamics in play.

Why should you do this? Because each person involved is seeking to get back to status quo right now. Your Personal Narrative has been destroyed and that is a huge thing. The Personal Narrative is your story of your life to yourself and serves as the basis of your safety and security. Now you find out that a major source of truth in your life (your WW) cannot be believed.

She also robbed you of your Personal Agency. That's your ability to make correct decisions based upon true knowledge of life events. Now, you find that she's been lying to you for a while, you got in a fight with a guy (probably rare) and you find that you're doing unimagined things like buying VARs and paying somebody to go through your wife's phone with a fine-toothed comb.

No matter what she says, no matter what she does, you and your girls will survive. In time, with good decisions, you can all thrive. Whether or not your WW makes herself safe enough to be allowed to participate in your life is, largely, up to her. You can't control her and if you could, would you believe what's she's doing is for the right reasons?

Me: 2xBS b 1962 xWW after 2 decades, xWGF after almost 1.
Amelia Pond: Who are you?
The Doctor: I don't know yet. I'm still cooking.
ENFP-A. Huh.

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Happenedtome2 ( member #68906) posted at 12:09 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

Install a keylogger or app to send anything she texts or emails to YOUR phone or laptop.

BH DDay August 2018 :https://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=633451

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 DaninOH (original poster member #69121) posted at 12:12 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

Just drove by there and her car is not there. Sent text to BIL but no reply yet.

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antlered ( member #46011) posted at 12:19 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

Try not to read much into that.

Your wife appears to be what we call a 'cake eater'. Basically wanting to have some sexual excitement but not wanting to leave her full-time life.

If you want to obsess over something, dig into whether this was her first rodeo. Looking back, my ex had affairs every 7 years or so in our 20 year marriage.

"Being cheated on was at once the worst and best thing that has ever happened to me.

"There is a huge amount of strength to be had from walking the path of integrity."

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antlered ( member #46011) posted at 12:19 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

duplicate post removed

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"Being cheated on was at once the worst and best thing that has ever happened to me.

"There is a huge amount of strength to be had from walking the path of integrity."

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HalfTime2017 ( member #64366) posted at 12:20 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

Dan - Sorry you're going thru all of this, and so far, you're doing extremely well. I would out the OM to his work. Since you WW has already quit, I'd make her go with you and she provide the proof and threaten to take legal action. His action should have consequences in the work place.

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 DaninOH (original poster member #69121) posted at 12:22 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

He just replied and said she was there when they left.

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MickeyBill2016 ( member #56459) posted at 12:29 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

He just replied and said she was there when they left.

IS location tracking set in her phone?

Is she tech savvy enough to turn it off, or sneaky enough to leave it at her sis house?

9 years married.
13 years divorced.

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 DaninOH (original poster member #69121) posted at 12:34 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

He says it shows her at the house now. Heading back over. Give me 30 or so.

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 12:48 AM on Tuesday, December 18th, 2018

Don't forget it's possible she left the phone there at BIL's, definitely not a good sign but let's wait and see, another question to ask her, "where did you go ?".

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