Cookies are required for login or registration. Please read and agree to our cookie policy to continue.

Newest Member: Bhavana

Just Found Out :
Dad, I Have To Tell You Something...

This Topic is Archived
default

earthangel ( member #44357) posted at 4:56 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

MollyMoo has expressed it perfectly !

Never regret. If it's good, it's wonderful. If it’s bad - it's experience.

posts: 1103   ·   registered: Aug. 4th, 2014   ·   location: England
id 7205471
default

Sal1995 ( member #39099) posted at 5:10 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

Sorry to read about this np5, but I am glad that you got at least some of the truth. I always cringe a little when reading descriptions of "EAs" that don't involve geographic limitations. It has minimization ( aka bullshit) written all over it. But knowledge is power even when it hurts. At least now any decision that you make will be better informed.

BH
Reconciled

posts: 1995   ·   registered: Apr. 26th, 2013   ·   location: Southwest
id 7205498
default

Dyokemm ( member #40254) posted at 6:09 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

NP5,

Sorry you are in this painful situation.

However, at least now the torment and doubt about her story are finished.

Despite all her bullshit gaslighting, you now know you were not crazy or overreacting for having those suspicions.

She certainly did everything she could to make you feel guilty for doubting her story, despite the many times you kept discovering more.

In the end, it will be more her lying and refusing to come clean that ends the M (if that's where you decide to go) than the A itself.

Stay strong.

Expose the A and file for D....let HER do the chasing and heavy lifting if she wants the M to be saved.

You have had to carry the load long enough.

posts: 440   ·   registered: Aug. 10th, 2013
id 7205566
default

sofakingcensored ( member #41862) posted at 6:20 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

NP5,

Sorry you are in this painful situation.

However, at least now the torment and doubt about her story are finished.

Despite all her bullshit gaslighting, you now know you were not crazy or overreacting for having those suspicions.

She certainly did everything she could to make you feel guilty for doubting her story, despite the many times you kept discovering more.

In the end, it will be more her lying and refusing to come clean that ends the M (if that's where you decide to go) than the A itself.

Stay strong.

Expose the A and file for D....let HER do the chasing and heavy lifting if she wants the M to be saved.

You have had to carry the load long enough.

Very well said.

Edith, if you are reading here, I would suggest you post over in the wayward section. Expect some 2x4's. If you want any chance of reconciling, you need to get busy. Does NP5 have the entire truth? I'm guessing he doesn't. You have a LOT of work to do. Get on it.

posts: 94   ·   registered: Jan. 1st, 2014
id 7205584
default

Anik1989 ( member #44228) posted at 6:31 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

In the end, it will be more her lying and refusing to come clean that ends the M (if that's where you decide to go) than the A itself.

Stay strong.

Expose the A and file for D....let HER do the chasing and heavy lifting if she wants the M to be saved.

Wow. So well said. I hope this resonates with you and you can gain some strenght from all the people here.

Me: 26 WH: 26 Married for 3 years, together for 6.
OEA for 3 months with some sexual video messages
DDay - 14 June 2014
NC - 6 July 2014 (was away in Europe, so couldn't stop online conversations)
TT - 21 July 2014
Currently in R.

posts: 568   ·   registered: Jul. 24th, 2014   ·   location: Ontario, Canada
id 7205610
default

Getting to Happy ( member #35200) posted at 6:33 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

So, so sorry NP5.

Hug those kids and start thinking about a future life without your toxic WW in the picture.

God Bless.

WS him
BS me DD's 26, 25' DS 23
dd1 1-1-10, dd2 Mothers Day 2011, dd3 3-12-12 Hawaii trip with ho-worker...

Never forget what is worth remembering or remember what is best forgotten.
Unknown

posts: 1254   ·   registered: Apr. 1st, 2012   ·   location: La La Land
id 7205614
default

Dyokemm ( member #40254) posted at 6:37 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

NP5,

And this new info should also answer an issue you brought up earlier about her bff.

She has to go PERMANENTLY if you and your WW decide to try R.

This now confirms that she conspired, covered for, and helped facilitate your WW going to fuck this POSOM in the hotel...there is no way in hell she did not know what was going to happen before it went down.

And make sure the music director knows that POSOM did indeed have a PA with your WW....in no way should that scumbag ever be involved with teaching kids again after he has helped to destroy one of his student's family.

Your WW rarely posted on the Waywards forum....I think that was because she knew she was lying and gaslighting still and was afraid that she would be exposed by the 2x4's and questions of the other waywards who would see through her bullshit.

If she wants any chance to repair your M, I hope she gets back on SI and really starts trying to work through her issues and flaws that allowed her to betray her H and family.....and especially how she could use her own children to try to gaslight you and cover for her A.

If I were in your shoes, I think that last point about using the kids as cover might be the ultimate dealbreaker for me.....DISGUSTING!

[This message edited by Dyokemm at 12:38 PM, April 30th (Thursday)]

posts: 440   ·   registered: Aug. 10th, 2013
id 7205619
default

confused615 ( member #30826) posted at 6:51 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

I understand how it feels to wonder..and have those suspicions confirmed.

However, I don't think you have time to wallow in your misery. Your WW has been in charge of R up until now. And has shit on you the entire time..while laughing about it with her friend. She involved your kids..and she betrayed those kids...every bit as much as she betrayed you. Are you mad yet?

Stand up. Do not allow this manipulative, abusive, lying cheater to beat you down for one more second. YOU are in charge now, np5. You need to be very direct, very strong, and tell her *this* is how it is going to be...PERIOD. And, if she doesn't like it? Pack her shit and dump it..and her..on OM's front lawn.

Im really worried about you...more now than before you knew the truth. Because I don't think you are going to give her any consequences. I think she will cry and beg you to renew your vows. But..wait...you just did that not too long ago...and she was lying..looking you in the eye..and lying. I think she will ask for a clean slate..now you know everything..let's just move forward..blahblahblah. Because that is what you have done..after every broken NC..which you do realize by now..was not broken NC..because she was never NC..the affair was ongoing(are you mad yet??)

She came on here, and spent the time here talking about how terrible you were. Hell, she told you a few weeks ago that she was in IC..to "learn how to tolerate" you. Are you mad yet??

You told her if she broke NC, you would file. You caught her over and over again. You didn't file. You forgave her. She stayed out all night, making up that stupid story about the guy in the club. You know by now, that she was with OM that night..right? She and OM have been playing games with you. Are you mad yet?

OM moved into your town, got a job at your kids school, with the help of her friend. He sent you that letter. They probably wrote it together. Are you mad yet??

She hurt your kids. She used them, and she lied to them. The abuse they have suffered because of her fucked up choices is astronomical.

ARE YOU MAD YET????

[This message edited by confused615 at 12:53 PM, April 30th (Thursday)]

BS(me)44
FWH 48
4 kids
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10



..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


posts: 15220   ·   registered: Jan. 15th, 2011
id 7205631
default

TrulyReconciled ( member #3031) posted at 7:16 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

NP5 - I'm new to reading your story and I confess to not reading all posts. I'm sorry for your newfound information and, the reason I'm posting here is that 13 years ago I was going through some of the same unfortunate situations that you have experienced, including my wife's midlife crisis and impact on a child.

I've also seen many, many situations described here over the years.

From this and from my experience, people who blow up their marital and family relationships and enter a full-blown midlife crisis/affair often do so as a result of underlying mental health and childhood issues. The childhood issues are often with the same-sex parent, with 'projection of blame' and 'surrogacy' of the spouse (you) as a representation of that parent. That may be one of the reasons why, when the affair begins, so much anger (to the surprise of the innocent spouse) is directed toward them. It always puzzled me until I understood.

If this is the sort of thing happening, then I'm sorry, it totally sucks. It's not your fault and, more importantly, not your responsibility to 'heal' your spouse. That may happen and she might rise to the occasion - or not. Fortunately in our case it worked out well.

What can be said, without a doubt, is that it's nearly impossible to work on a marriage while this sort of thing is going on. The affected spouse has to be mentally-healthy and back in the marriage for ANY real progress to be made. I wasted a lot of time, in hindsight, bitterly, in 'trying to make things better' for someone who head was ... well, let's just say way up the wrong orifice.

You can't fix her. You can only determine what the rest of your life will be. It sounds as if you are about to turn in that direction. A midlife crisis often takes years to resolve, and some people (often depending upon the degree of the childhood impact) never really return.

My heart goes out to you, and I don't know if this will help you, but try to be strong for yourself and your children.

Best,

TR

[This message edited by TrulyReconciled at 1:37 PM, April 30th (Thursday)]

"In a time of deceit, telling the Truth is a revolutionary act."

posts: 22740   ·   registered: Dec. 29th, 2003   ·   location: Hell and back, way back :o)
id 7205653
default

nononsense ( member #45598) posted at 7:54 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

Np5

Anyone who has just read Confused615 a post to you has to be MAD for you. I know everyone who has been following your threads has been enraged at what she has done to you and her family .

You are BETTER than this and you CAN do this .

Everyone on here is with you in spirit no matter what our own personal burden is .

Read Confused615"s post again please , GET MORE THAN MAD , and get yourself out of this infidelity .

Rooting for you

BH - 50 (me)
WW- 48 (her)
M- 27 years
3 daughters- 26, 24, 21
DDay1 7/5/2014 (PA- 2 different OM)
DDay2 11/28/2014- setting up another meeting new OM
5/1/2015- Looks like we are making it.
8/3/2015- Reconciled but watchful
11/10/2015- We made it

posts: 1875   ·   registered: Nov. 13th, 2014   ·   location: USA
id 7205691
default

BeerParty ( member #46150) posted at 8:55 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

She came on this forum and lied, and lied, and lied...

Un-f*cking-believable.

Me: BH (age 46)
Her: fWW (age 41) 9 month EA/PA including some crazy sexual stuff..
Married: 5/25/00
DDay: 6/3/14
Currently in R. Turned the corner. Hoping for the best.

posts: 368   ·   registered: Dec. 31st, 2014   ·   location: Arizona
id 7205750
default

Tearsoflove ( member #8271) posted at 10:42 PM on Thursday, April 30th, 2015

I remember what it feels like to want to believe the story so badly. I remember hearing the skepticism in my father's voice when I told him "Well, yes, she stayed in his hotel room but they just talked about their marriages. He was trying to help her." I remember how ridiculous it sounded even in my own ears but I just wanted to believe him so badly. I really, really wanted it to be true. So much so that I told myself I believed it. But I couldn't stop searching for the truth because no matter how I lied to myself, the story just wasn't logical.

That's why you were still searching, NP. That's why you still wanted the polygaph. You defended her because you wanted it to be true but deep down, you knew it wasn't. Once you really have the truth, it hurts but it's a relief because you can finally stop searching and questioning. The feeling that someone told a joke and you are the only one who doesn't get the punchline is gone. You're finally in on it, too. Now you can move on to why the joke teller is the only one who doesn't realize the joke was offensive and how you can be with someone who thinks offensive jokes are funny.

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." ~Homer Simpson

posts: 6078   ·   registered: Sep. 20th, 2005   ·   location: Southeast
id 7205865
default

 notperfect5 (original poster member #43330) posted at 9:34 AM on Friday, May 1st, 2015

Thank you all for your thoughts and comments. I read them over and over. It has kept me going.

I've been sitting in the guest bed thinking for a while. I really did love Edith. She was wonderful for me. She has a beautiful smile, pretty eyes, gorgeous from head to toe. Cute and smart and pretty and funny.

Right before she told me she had intercourse with the OM, I said to her, "Do you know what I believe you did, I think you had intercourse. That's my current belief. I can get over that, but I can't get over you continuing to lie to me."

So she admitted it.

But, I think I was mistaken.

I don't think I can get over it. I loved her physical body and presence. She was beautiful and her body just made my body sing. I loved her as a friend. She was my best friend by far. No one ever has come close. She is a joy (almost always) to talk to and be near. I also loved her because I made a sacred vow to Love, Honor, and Cherish, Forsaking All Others. I had a moral duty to God, Edith, and My Family to uphold that obligation.

When she told me she had intercourse with OM, I realized then how this would probably be the deal breaker for me.

If you were dining, and someone brought you a wonderful plate of spaghetti. And you always loved their spaghetti! Then one day they bring it to you with excrement all mixed in it and you eat it. You realize it and from then on you can't even think about eating it ever again.

When she lay down and let him go into her, she became, to me, defiled. I can't even look at her now without revulsion. I can't look at her. No matter how much she showers or cleans, my body will no longer sing. It recoils.

She was my best friend. But all friendships have rough patches. Betrayal is really hard to overcome. Intercourse seems to me a consumation of betrayal. A joining together of body and mind between Edith and the OM. When I look at her, that joining will be there in my mind forever. What kind of friend would do that to you? She cut out my heart and fed it to the dogs because she thought the dog was cute and hungry.

Lastly, and for me most importantly, for the other two issues may fade with time or altogether be healed, there is the covenant between man and wife. I held that dear. 2x4 after 2x4 I took for forgiving and hanging in there--defending my solom vow to Love, Honor and Cherish. I was her husband and she was my wife. The lying and the confessions of affection for OM and WW and the hugs and kisses between OM and WW do not break that covenant.

But intercourse does.

She committed adultery and I am no longer morally or ethically or spiritually bound to her. I felt it seconds after she told me. The abuse and the betrayal and the lying, all that falls away because she did that act. I no longer have that vow to sustain my love because the covenant has been broken.

So here I am, wondering what is to become of my family. I am heartbroken and I have cried so much in the last 24 hours. I said goodbye to my marriage. I thought it was a good one.

Me: 55 BH Her: 52 WW - Edith12
DDay 8/13 EA, fake R
Turned PA on 4/27/14 and fake R
PA during MC and my IC and her IC through 12/14
Polygraph on 4/30/15, TT 5/5/15.. TT on 10/4/15, 2nd Poly and TT 11/17/15
DD's 23, 21, 18, 15 DS

posts: 1233   ·   registered: May. 5th, 2014   ·   location: Southeast
id 7206280
default

allatsea ( member #38923) posted at 10:19 AM on Friday, May 1st, 2015

Your pain is excruciating. Not just for you but for all of us here who know that pain all too well. It triggered me. I remember that pain of realisation. Of dawning.

You want so much for it to be a bad dream, a nightmare. You fantasise that she would simply wake up and 'get it' but you know she won't. Even if she did you know that you could never recover from this. You would never look at her the same way again.

You are now at the beginning. You have the proof you need. All your worst fears have been confirmed. You are at your lowest ebb. But these are your foundations.

A good friend said to me on the day that WW moved out of the family home, took my children and went to live with OM; this is your lowest moment. It can't get lower. It can only get higher from this point forward.

Whereas her life will only spiral down from here.

Those words stuck with me. He was right. Little by little I got stronger. There were many setbacks but slowly I am building my strength. I still miss my family unit and the wife I thought I had but my life is on the up. I don't know if I will ever love someone like I loved her, but I can also see that I was never loved by her the same way. You will see that too, in time. And you will build and move on.

Now you must dig deep and stay strong. You must remove emotion from her presence. You must get your ducks in a row. Plan a future without her and provide a stable life for your children

Keep posting

You can't fix crazy. All you can do is document it

posts: 781   ·   registered: Apr. 8th, 2013   ·   location: UK
id 7206288
default

earthangel ( member #44357) posted at 11:01 AM on Friday, May 1st, 2015

I am so sorry for your pain.

Dig deep and find the strength you need to act to protect yourself and your children.

Please know that no-one here intended to hurt you with the 2x4 as you tried to forgive and fought for your family.

Those posters have been in your shoes, they're offering advice on how to proceed to protect yourself and your children.

PLEASE re-read the posts and do what you need to do.

Never regret. If it's good, it's wonderful. If it’s bad - it's experience.

posts: 1103   ·   registered: Aug. 4th, 2014   ·   location: England
id 7206293
default

confused615 ( member #30826) posted at 11:19 AM on Friday, May 1st, 2015

2x4 after 2x4 I took for forgiving and hanging in there--defending my solom vow to Love, Honor and Cherish.

The 2x4's were meant to wake you up. To see what was so obvious. To protect your kids from further abuse. To see that your wife is not who you thought she was. It was not about your vow..it was that she had broken hers..and you deserved to know that.

I am so very sorry we were right. I truly am. You didn't deserve this. No matter what her issues are with you, giving herself to another man was about her..not you. The abuse she has heaped on you in the last few years is horrific.

BS(me)44
FWH 48
4 kids
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10



..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


posts: 15220   ·   registered: Jan. 15th, 2011
id 7206299
flag

SI Staff ( Moderator #10) posted at 11:43 AM on Friday, May 1st, 2015

SofaKing,

Please follow site guidelines.

From the guidelines:

Do not bait or call out others. This includes members and non-members.

Thank you.

posts: 10034   ·   registered: May. 30th, 2002
id 7206305
default

jb3199 ( member #27673) posted at 11:58 AM on Friday, May 1st, 2015

So here I am, wondering what is to become of my family. I am heartbroken and I have cried so much in the last 24 hours. I said goodbye to my marriage. I thought it was a good one.

It wasn't...and I will tell you why---her resentment towards you.

I will give you a little comparison to my story, although the EA vs. PA is reversed:

When I was hit with my first D-Day, I discovered it was a PA. Needless to say, I was devastated. In my mind NOTHING is worse than that. Over some time, I learned of another one, which of course hurt, but just about a year ago, when I thought I was virtually reconciled, I stumbled upon a current PA/EA.

The worst part to cope with to this day, was how I could have missed this. If there is something that I thought I was pretty experienced in, it was infidelity, but I got blindsided. But the other piece that surprises me, is how much the EA hurts me. I never dealt with that before.

Right now, for you, the PA is crushing. Hell, it might be your dealbreaker. But I don't think so. You are in a state of acute shock, and it will wear off, and then you are going to start moving to your next course of actions. Most members here knew by your posts that you were not going to leave your marriage. Hell, you even stated such. But they knew that if nothing else, you weren't getting a partner that was of reconcilable material. We can argue about how much she has and was lying about, but we knew that she wasn't being honest. She probably still isn't right now. Her posts...and lack of them...spoke volumes of her lack of commitment.

But what really jumped out at me, because I feel this in my own life, is the resentment that she holds towards you. THAT, my friend, is the underlying issue that will terminate this current relationship. The problem is that while although you already knew about these resentments, you probably weren't aware of how strong they are...and how she has fostered them over the years to justify levels of entitlement that neither you nor I thought possible at one time or another. I won't say that she hates you, because that is foolish, but I will say that the resentments build such feelings that you would almost think that she could hate you at times.

And no matter how much that you would like to reconcile, you won't be able to until she (1) comes clean with you, and (2) works past her issues. It may be insurmountable. She may NOT WANT to let go of her resentment....I don't know. But you really need to take a hard look at this after the shock of her PA(if that's her only one) wears off. It took me a long time to realize that my marriage is over. It was the moment that I came to realize that my WW will never get past her resentments towards me, no matter how justified or unjustified they were, that I accepted that we will never get past this. And I deserve better treatment than I have received. And so do you.

Edith had her chance years ago. If your financial infidelities were that much of a hurt to her and the marriage, then she had all rights to divorce you. She felt betrayed, and did not have to put up with your behavior and actions. But what she did instead was the start of a disconnect that has culminated to where you are today. She never forgave you. And worse than that, she started to justify her poor behavior due to your prior actions. She nurtured and fed a resentment that has led to a chasm between you.

But that is her fucking problem. You not only owned your shit, you learned from it. But not her---she punished you for it. And took her children down with it. Do you see how far this really goes now?

You owe her NOTHING....except some harsh consequences. That is where I would start if I were you....once your shock wears off.

BH-50s
WW-50s
2 boys
Married over 30yrs.

All work and no play has just cost me my wife--Gary PuckettD-Day(s): EnoughAccepting that I can/may end this marriage 7/2/14

posts: 4375   ·   registered: Feb. 21st, 2010   ·   location: northeast
id 7206322
default

devotedman ( member #45441) posted at 12:50 PM on Friday, May 1st, 2015

notperfect5, I'm so very sorry about what she's done to you and to your family.

Don't forget about all of the other betrayals in light of this one. I say that as gently as possible because I'm afraid that you'll convince yourself to treat this as just one more thing and then decide to forgive just one thing. But it isn't just one more thing. It was a long time ago but now it has been followed by lie after lie, by a series of acts of deception, disrespect, and planned manipulation in her part. All to achieve the ends that she wants for herself and for what she perceives to be her best interests. She had no consideration of or for you or your family.

When, not if, you find yourself considering forgiveness yet again take out your list of things that she's done deliberately to you and the M and your family. Remember, not as separate acts but as a giant mountain, the sheer number and severity and scope of all of the betrayals and then see that they were all designed to satisfy the desires of one person. Her.

Remember how you've been that boiled frog. See how each and every thing that she's done has been for selfish reasons. No thought of you or family stopped her. She will likely try to tell you that the lies were required to keep the family together because of how you would react. Not true in the least. What would have been required was that at some point she think of anyone but herself.

You've been willing to eat the shit sandwich all along to keep the family together and to honor your vows and do what you see as right and your duty. She hasn't even been willing to keep her legs together. She hasn't even been willing to tell the truth. She hasn't even been willing to not plan to deceive, lie, betray to satisfy her own selfish desires.

Make no mistake, I think that she's reading this thread right now and planning how to use it to manipulate you further to keep you working to support her fantasy life. I don't think for a minute that you've heard the last manipulative lie. Her world is changing and people don't like change.

Do The 180. File. Get control of your life back and show your family how to treat a snake in their midst. Show them what self respect looks like.

Again, I'm sorry. Do the polygraph as a final discovery of the extent of the lies and manipulations.

Strength, brother.

[This message edited by devotedman at 6:51 AM, May 1st, 2015 (Friday)]

Me: 2xBS b 1962 xWW after 2 decades, xWGF after almost 1.
Amelia Pond: Who are you?
The Doctor: I don't know yet. I'm still cooking.
ENFP-A. Huh.

posts: 5155   ·   registered: Oct. 30th, 2014   ·   location: Central USA
id 7206351
default

yearsofpain25 ( member #42012) posted at 2:03 PM on Friday, May 1st, 2015

Hi NP5. Was thinking about you last night. jb and dm bring up some strong points. One of the reasons your posts have been tough for me to read is because I see a lot of the same elements in your situation that I had in mine. Except it's not my wife. It was my mother. jb's points on resentment are spot on. I saw a lot of that as a kid growing up. My mother's resentment towards my father which was also related to resentment towards us as a family.

That resentment that jb noted often times results in entitlement. They often go hand in hand. She felt entitled to certain things, one being an A. In my experience, people who display resentment/entitlement have less life satisfaction and overall poor psychological health. Not saying that Edith is a narcissist, but she is certainly showing you some classic symptoms of narcissism.

The reason I make these points is that often times there is a lot more going on that you even know about. It's tough to see, if not impossible, what is going on in the family unit as a whole. As you begin to wake up and see more of what was/is going on, please take a look in the direction of your kids and how they are being impacted by your WW's resentment/entitlement. There is a lot more that your kids have seen, heard, experienced than you know. Certainly that was the case with my brother and I.

Any thoughts on getting your kids into IC as the fallout begins to unfold?

Strength and courage to you.

yop

"I remind myself of this. I am a survivor. I have taken all this world has dished out and am still here. So there is no reason to be afraid. Whatever happens, I will survive. So now onto living. It is time for me to thrive." - DrJekyll

posts: 4519   ·   registered: Jan. 11th, 2014   ·   location: Northeast US
id 7206405
This Topic is Archived
Cookies on SurvivingInfidelity.com®

SurvivingInfidelity.com® uses cookies to enhance your visit to our website. This is a requirement for participants to login, post and use other features. Visitors may opt out, but the website will be less functional for you.

v.1.001.20250404a 2002-2025 SurvivingInfidelity.com® All Rights Reserved. • Privacy Policy