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 BeeBee64 (original poster member #54718) posted at 5:33 AM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

This is unfolding as I write. It would make a good movie.

I'm 64, my wife is 65 and retired. She's an avid bicyclist. Got hit by a car last week. Nothing broken, but a nasty contusion on the knee. She was looking forward to getting back on the bike asap. But, then on the weekend she had breathing problems - it was a blood clot caused by her injury that went to the lungs. So, back to the hospital and into the ICU for oxygen mask, blood thinner and constant observation. She's still there.

Last Monday I went into her office to shut down her computer for her.

You guessed it - in plain sight on her monitor was a lovy-dovey, sexy FB chat with one of the guys she bikes with - younger, I think (60?) and a total bike jock. His job is bicycle messenger, specializing in big heavy packages. Classy choice.

The chat was happening as I watched - she on her phone at the hospital, distraught that she was going to have to miss out on all the upcoming bike rides and get-togethers. They said how much they loved each other and made saucy, sexual remarks.

Investigating further on the computer I find a list of things she wrote - things to or consider regarding moving out. Another list of things she wants out of life that she doesn't have. "To have a husband who comes home from work?" (I have an office/studio at home). Huh? It's that big a deal to separate over?

And then I found an email to the landlord of an apartment for rent, wanting to go see the place.

My world died around me.

Fortunately I have some good friends. One, who went through something much worse, recommended a book, Divorce After 50. I got ahold of a copy within hours. It's mostly for what happens after this period but it was clear I should get legal advice and facts asap.

I called a lawyer friend for recommendations of a good family law attorney. She said she would, but she'd meet with me for free and prep me. And, she said, do NOT let on you know about this. Especially while she is in the hospital ICU. I would become the bad guy if I did. Document what I could, she said, and play it cool. Show her the husbandly care and concern she'd be dumping. But drop tiny hints, she said, just to make her paranoid.

So, I forwarded some things to myself from her comp, and took a lot of screen shots. I'm still doing that.

I was -and am - visiting her twice daily while acting like I know nothing - which has to be the hardest thing I've ever had to do. Especially when between visits I can read the mush they are exchanging.

If she hadn't hurt her knee and had the blood clot, our plan was to go on vacation today with friends at a beach house. Her calendar says "stop texting with [Bike Boy]" on today's date. Is this compartmentalism? Wha? How could she have been planning to enjoy a holiday with me and then leave me for another guy the next week, or next month? Was it a farewell present to me, or a way to make it sting harder?

We're not going to go the beach house on the day we planned, obviously, but she urged me to go ahead without her, she'd get a ride with friends early next week. Ha,ha,ha,ha.. No, I said, I was TOO CONCERNED to leave her alone in her condition. Blood clots are life threatening, I said. Smirk.

It's killing me to be the nurturing, attentive husband outside, and the boiling, wounded victim on the inside. And I could sure use some sleep.

What I've learned: this doesn't appear to have gone on very long. If I can believe the love chats they have not fully consummated this betrayal. I dunno. The first messages I saw were pretty salty. She playfully offered to do some "sexting," saying she was expert at it. Oh? That's new. I've always known her to be somewhat prudish. Where the hell has this side of her been all along? How disappointing not to have been able to enjoy it all these years.

Reading the list of things she wants to take with her when she goes, it is plain she has no concept of what common property is. A lot of things she's decided are "hers," are actually "ours." And, from what I've read and been told, nothing commonly owned should leave the house without mutual agreement. Which she will never get.

Unfortunately (for me right now) she had a government job and has always made more than me (I'm in the arts and not in the government). And I'm still working while she's been out everyday riding more and more miles and making friends in the bicycling community - the century (100 miles) and extreme riders. They ooze with superiority.

So, she's FIT. I'm fit, but not that fit. My lawyer friend, who is very annoyed on my behalf says "I know bike-boys!" Her ex belonged to a bike club and she says cheating was rampant. She says it has to do with the mix of endorphins, testosterone, competitiveness, and fit bodies in lycra. My lawyer friend is guiding me trough this almost hourly. So, if the spit hits the fan, I will say nothing - just calmly message her and ask her how to respond.

This gets even more dramatic and ironic. The doctors told my wife she has to stay on the blood thinners for six months or longer, maybe for life. So, no activities that risk falling, cuts, bumps, etc. That includes biking. There are other things you could do, they said.

She was thrashing like a big angry fish being pinned to the deck of a boat. She looked for every opening in that prohibition, rejecting all the alternatives. Finally bewailing that biking was too important to give up. "I am an ATHLETE!!

She says, "It keeps me feeling young, if I stop, I'll get fat and become an old lady!"

Well, well. The mid-life crisis fighting for its life.

I would like to stay married to her, actually. All those years down the drain! Separation/ divorce would set off an explosion in our family and community of friends - just as our kids are getting to the age of having children. What a mess that would make of grandparenting. And we'd both be poorer. I might be a LOT poorer. That really worries me. Retirement plans would be shot to hell.

And what a dumb thing to do to her reputation - having a fling with a younger bike messenger. Not to mention what our friends and family would think of her for doing that to me.

This is at least the third time something like this happened. She left her first husband to have a fling with a young stud before she met me. Her family, who was close to the first husband, was not well pleased. Nor were friends. There was a chill in the air when I first was introduced around as her new bf.

Then around 15 years ago, she got infatuated with a guy she thought was so superior to me. He was married. She said it was never consumated - "just kissing." I had no clue it was going on - only long evenings at work with him and regular doses of fault-finding with me. They decided to break it off for children's sake. An emotional gulf remained between us, and I contributed to it, no doubt about it. If fact, about 8 years ago, I got emotionally involved with an online friend. I needed some nurture in my life. It got pretty steamy. But, I tried to do the right thing. I got counseling, confessed, and had a long hard period of putting the toothpaste back in the tube. That's when she confessed to her own indiscretion, btw.

As a result of all this, and probably as a result of our personalities anyway, there's been a distance all along.

We're been distant, which is kind of normal for us. Avoidance?

We used to cuddle in bed at night, at least, but then last month she got one of those night-breathing masks and she can no longer curl up with me. In fact she started putting the duvet between us like a barrier. That may be around the time she started making plans to leave. Hmm. Could it be that simple - the machine reminded her that she's getting older and our reduced touching made her feel rejected for being old?

I'm rambling. The great irony in all this detail, is that on the verge of dumping me for some bike-bimbo, she can suddenly no longer be the young-looking athletic companion to bike boy. She complains constantly that she can feel her strength ebbing every day she's inactive. Bimbo reassures her it doesn't matter, he still loves her. He'll carry her on his cargo bike. Yeah right.

Inside, I'm laughing and crying and laughing and crying.

Sorry this is so long - but you did invite venting.

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1lifeoflies ( member #54208) posted at 6:14 AM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Emotions really run high after you find out, but you have a friend in the legal field for advice and that is a good thing.

The healing library is your friend. Read and post often, there is some very good advice on this forum.

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atalosss ( member #47882) posted at 7:17 AM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Vent away! What a terrible story! I am so sorry that you find yourself here.

There is no advice I can offer you other than stick with your lawyer friend ( she seems to know what she is doing) and try and rest, eat and stay hydrated. See a Dr for sleep aids if you think you need them.

Lots of folks will be around soon to offer you guidance and support.

From my own experience, anger was my friend. Stay one step ahead of your ww.

{{{Hugs}}}

"You can't ride two horses with one ass" Channel66

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changeneeded ( member #51851) posted at 7:59 AM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

I'm sorry you are here, damn, there is just no safe age for affairs. I remember when I thought 60 was old... now I have a WS who will be sixty coming up here in a few short months.

She still has no idea she left the computer on and you can read? Evil me speaking here.... I would wait until I knew she was asleep, pop on that computer and send bikeboy a message posing as her.

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manfromlamancha ( member #47894) posted at 8:47 AM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

From what you have said you have never really had a marriage so wanting to stay with her so as to not let "all those years" go down the drain, does not really apply.

She has always had a wandering eye it would seem and mainly for a younger man!

And you are right in that it also has something to do with mid-life crisis. Throw in vanity and her self-entitled approach to appeasing this, and you have a serial cheater (and disrespectful liar) on your hands. Why on earth would you stay with someone like this ? Unless you are a masochist.

I am willing to bet that there was much, much more to the "indiscretion" she confessed to (only after she had something on you) and also that there were many more "indiscretions" than she has told you about.

Get out of this sham of a marriage with your sanity intact asap!

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ICaughtThem ( member #45041) posted at 12:15 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Evil me speaking here.... I would wait until I knew she was asleep, pop on that computer and send bikeboy a message posing as her.

As soon as he does that, the jig is up. Any messages he sends from the home computer will show up on her phone since they're using FB Messenger.

Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn’t.

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yearsofpain25 ( member #42012) posted at 12:45 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Getting to a lawyer and getting good advice from them is always the first step. Check that off the list.

What do you know about bike boy? I would gather as much information on him before your WW gets out as you can. Does he have a significant other or a spouse that can be notified? Ever think using the money that you saved on a lawyer for a background check on this guy by a PI? You are going to have a major battle on your hands with your WW. That much is very clear as she's battling while still in bed. The more shit you can find on this guy for when you have to force her hand the better. Not to mention if he is not single you will have notify the OBS (other betrayed spouse) anyway. Or maybe your lawyer friend can help you with the background check?

yop

"I remind myself of this. I am a survivor. I have taken all this world has dished out and am still here. So there is no reason to be afraid. Whatever happens, I will survive. So now onto living. It is time for me to thrive." - DrJekyll

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doggiediva ( member #33806) posted at 1:19 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Just to let you know I hear you..

Count me in as another soul who's retirement plans are shot to hell...

I have always been the main or sole money earner in our marriage..With that said, I have never earned enough, even in my most wealthy year, to support two households...

The WH never earned any pension, he never accumulated any savings..I currently, have difficulty with my health as it relates to keeping a full time job...

These cheaters leave a path of destruction in their wake, they put their betrayed spouses in a jam that is difficult if not impossible to get out of..

[This message edited by doggiediva at 7:20 AM, August 19th (Friday)]

Don't tie your happiness to the tail of somebody else's kite

63 years young..

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 BeeBee64 (original poster member #54718) posted at 2:01 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Thanks for the replies. Bike Boy doesn't seem to be married, but has children in their upper teens, early twenties (looks like). I have his address. So, no spouse to alert.

I have looked at the library and have found useful info. Much to read there. Thanks.

As for this being a sham of a marriage. Don't judge on just this portrait - which is tinged with negative emotion... There have been many more good than bad times. She's my best friend. I admire, respect and love all her good points. As a friend told me when I was in the grips of my own mid-life crisis, ditching a partner doesn't ultimately solve much, you end up with the same (or worse) relationship problems. Better to stick with the one you know, he said.

So, meanwhile. She's backing off the affair - for now. She's told him no more chatting. She's uncomfortable with the deception, she said. And the second reason is that they had a little spat and she saw his nasty side. Still lots of "I love you"s, though.

Oh, and I found out that the inquiry into the apt was just a trial run. Not clear how long she's been thinking of moving out, though. She said the apt she was looking into was the best she's found on Craigslist, the others in her price range were scary. Whether that refers to a search for days, weeks or months is not clear.

So, the question is when do I drop the bomb? Certainly not when she's in the hospital.

[This message edited by BeeBee64 at 8:08 AM, August 19th (Friday)]

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ICaughtThem ( member #45041) posted at 2:14 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

If you're watching their FB chats in real-time, don't click anything in the chat box. Otherwise, a notification like "Seen at 9:05am" may show up in her chat box, or the red flag that pops up in the main status bar at the top of the FB page may change.

Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn’t.

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wordsofwisdom ( member #54083) posted at 2:15 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

BeeBee, this "just kissing" is killing. Many of us have heard it soooo many times. I wish one day your wife will become honest with you. Reading your story, I doubt these two affairs were her only rodeos. She sounds like an addict who want to feel good – young, liked, validated, – instead of doing her work as a spouse.

I would start IC before dropping the bomb. You seem to be co-dependent – she is your best friend, and you are not likely to be hers. You need revise your attitudes and mental behavior. Please consider IC. Many of us didn't have enough self-control to keep things cool. You have it. Use this treasure wisely!

[This message edited by wordsofwisdom at 8:31 AM, August 19th (Friday)]

One day discovered my wife chasing her old sweetheart. Wished her good luck and moved on to better things and people.
Divorced: Jan 2010

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Graywolf ( member #48283) posted at 2:18 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

This could be an exit affair where she plans to divorce because you drifted apart and then “discover” how great bike boy is and “start” dating him. Or is could be a fantasy that she plans to happen someday, like designing your dream house.

If you confronted now those would be the two ways that she could go. “I want a divorce” or “Nothing happened. I never really intended to divorce you. Get over it.”

And we'd both be poorer. I might be a LOT poorer.

BeeBee64

The spouse usually gets a portion of a government based upon how many years the marriage lasted.

Reading the list of things she wants to take with her when she goes, it is plain she has no concept of what common property is. A lot of things she's decided are "hers," are actually "ours." And, from what I've read and been told, nothing commonly owned should leave the house without mutual agreement. Which she will never get.

And what a dumb thing to do to her reputation - having a fling with a younger bike messenger. Not to mention what our friends and family would think of her for doing that to me.

BeeBee64

When the reality of what this will cost her hits her in the face she may suddenly love you more than ever.

I would like to stay married to her,

BeeBee64

This may be very true but don’t go into it right out of the gate with this attitude. If you do it will send a signal that she can do anything and you will just suck it up because you have nowhere to go.

You need to present yourself as very open to the possibility of divorce and you might even prefer it. That will set the tone for the rest of your marriage.

All those years down the drain! Separation/ divorce would set off an explosion in our family and community of friends - just as our kids are getting to the age of having children. What a mess that would make of grandparenting. And we'd both be poorer. I might be a LOT poorer. That really worries me. Retirement plans would be shot to hell.

BeeBee64

Your wife would have to face the same things in divorce. At your stage of life these are the things that make you desirable to your wife. Now she’s in fantasy land and putting an unrealistically good spin on divorce.

To snap her out of it she needs to face the reality. If you reveal that you will never divorce her no matter what she does she will keep you and have Bike Boy on the side. Why in the world wouldn’t she. DO NOT TAKE DIVORCE OFF THE TABLE.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 2:39 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

You've been heard, BB64. Geez, sorry you find yourself here.

It's killing me to be the nurturing, attentive husband outside, and the boiling, wounded victim on the inside.

I wanted to float out an alternate course of action, based on the fact that this is your WW's 3rd affair and you've had one yourself too. Both of you are too old for games, and what is going on is a game on both sides. She thinks she is all super-clever with her secrecy, and now you do too. I've done the knowing and watching myself, and you have to admit it is empowering. Both of you are skilled at lying to each other. It's always a tool in the toolbox that you are willing to reach for. She is particularly skilled at using it. Now you are both in your 60s. Adults. Maybe beyond the bullshit?

Maybe just decide here and now that you are too old for this shit, and are just going to be honest and transparent from here on out as a matter of principle. Just print all of that stuff out, go into her hospital room, lay on her bed, and ask her, "Enough games, what do we both really want here?"

My point is, if you are looking to manipulate her back, don't do it. Enough games. Let her know she is free to go, especially if staying means lying. What you have is imperfect, but it is meaningful. Yet if she wants to wander...

I am advocating this for you, that you might live a life of truthfulness and honesty from here forward. Be authentic, which also potentially means being vulnerable.

I know this flies in the face of the attorney advice, designed to protect you best. Just something to consider.

Best of luck, BB64.

Sending strength!

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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CanoeVA ( member #46071) posted at 2:53 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Drop a copy of a very cheap, but wonderful, downloadable book in your WW's lap when you do decide to drop your bomb, BeeBee64.

Linda J MacDonalds book is less than 100 pages and would give your WW something to read while laid up. "Who Will You Become!" challenges a wayward who is actively cheating to consider the realities of the path they're on. Many have ended their affairs and changed their ways upon reading it.

http://www.lindajmacdonald.com

Gather your intel. But be careful about too much waiting. Read around on this site's "healing library" (top left yellow box link). It is loaded with gold. So sorry you are here.

Me = BH
fWW- 2014 affair most of year; EA Feb/March became PA April until DDay
Married 1986
DDay- 12/08/14
2 adult children, mid 20s
OM = Wife's best friend's brother
We're both working on R

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 BeeBee64 (original poster member #54718) posted at 4:47 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Thanks again, everyone. BTW, the link to the library goes to the FAQ - on my browser, anyway.

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craig2001 ( member #55) posted at 4:52 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

Do not confront her yet in any way. It is a good thing it sounds like you have a good and caring lawyer. There is a chance you can get 1/2 of your wife's gov pension in a divorce.

I find it very troubling that your wife has a history of affairs, and I would bet it goes further back than 15 years. She does not care about boundaries and I would guess that the just kissing is a lie. All liars minimize.

So, meanwhile. She's backing off the affair - for now. She's told him no more chatting. She's uncomfortable with the deception, she said. And the second reason is that they had a little spat and she saw his nasty side. Still lots of "I love you"s, though.

She is uncomfortable with the deception, odd, since she has been lying to you for years, and recently.

She is a skilled liar.

Is hates the deception, yet, she continues to lie to you. She must not hate the deception very much.

Still saying I love you to the OM, yet hates the deception. Something wrong with her thinking.

Do not trust her in any way. Meet with the lawyers, get your ducks in a row, and make sure you continue to save all information carefully.

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SisterMilkshake ( member #30024) posted at 4:55 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

BTW, the link to the library goes to the FAQ

Mine does, too, BeeBee64. However, look right underneath the Frequently Asked Questions heading. Underneath that you should find: Frequently Asked Questions | Abbreviations | Articles | Books | Links Click on any of those sub headings to read the information offered in the Healing Library on each sub heading.

[This message edited by SisterMilkshake at 10:56 AM, August 19th (Friday)]

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d-day 3/10; LTA (7 years?)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak." ~ Homer Simpson

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craig2001 ( member #55) posted at 5:07 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

I wanted to add this about your wife not liking deception, yet she is secretly looking for an apartment to rent.

It is not unheard of for a married woman to actually rent a small apt to carry on affairs and still live at home.

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wordsofwisdom ( member #54083) posted at 5:07 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

BeeBee, listen to HouseOfPlane.

One day discovered my wife chasing her old sweetheart. Wished her good luck and moved on to better things and people.
Divorced: Jan 2010

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doggiediva ( member #33806) posted at 5:56 PM on Friday, August 19th, 2016

What house of plane says resonates with me..

Hopefully you will become emotionally and financially okay living as a single at some point, IMO everybody should be, whether or not they get betrayed..Every marriage breaks up by natural causes (death) at some point..

Be ready to lose the marriage, and know that you may have already lost it if she is too un remorseful in the infidelity aftermath and too stubborn to comply with your boundaries and requests..

At our age it is much harder to leave the un remorseful WS without having far reaching ruinous consequences financially...Leaving or kicking him/her out though is the single most efficient way to stand up for ourselves and regain our dignity..

Don't tie your happiness to the tail of somebody else's kite

63 years young..

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