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Wife cheated with her boss

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 9:48 PM on Friday, November 4th, 2016

I don't have any advice Bc I was recently in this category too but at least she seems sorry, my husband shows no remorse and idk what's worse!

I had to read this twice. Idk either tbh. At first I thought not showing any remorse would be worse, but at least you kinda know where you stand. :( I'm sorry you have to deal with that.

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 12:10 AM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

And we got it! He asked her for a hug today. That's 3 times after she said no more. HR is getting notified on monday and if she gets asked about the affair, you all are right, she'll just admit to it but that she ended it and he wont leave her alone. Thanks so much guys. I think this will close this chapter so I can concentrate on me and us and not OM.

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craig2001 ( member #55) posted at 12:38 AM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

And we got it! He asked her for a hug today. That's 3 times after she said no more. HR is getting notified on monday and if she gets asked about the affair, you all are right, she'll just admit to it but that she ended it and he wont leave her alone.

Okay, that is the line in the sand you made, one more time, and this is it, the last time.

He refuses to stop bothering your wife and this is without question sexual harassment. Yes she messed up, but stopped it, and now he wont stop. He already is known for this and I am guessing by more than just one other lady there.

How did your wife tell you about this today, is this in person or did he ask via electronics...just curious.

This guy has a hell of a lot of nerve.

Keep us informed and stay cool with your words.

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mouthkeptshut ( member #54085) posted at 12:41 AM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

I hope they throw the book at him. What a dumbass.

BH
Dday: 7/3/2016, 5 month EA/PA

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longsadstory1952 ( member #29048) posted at 1:19 AM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

You are still making this all about the om. What consequences does your WW have? Ok. She squirted a few tears. Anything else?

You are now enabling he over a job. What do you think is going to happen when om says she maneuvered him? Or is lying? Or came on to him? Sooner or later it will all come out. And when it does your WW will look like she is trying to cover up her own sins and jam up om.

Stop letting her control this. She gave up the right to control things when she willingly dropped her panties. You two are acting like she is immune from inquiry. She's not. No one will think she is not a coconspirator.

Look. You are heading for a train wreck. If everyone at work knows om is being punished for asking for a hug, how long do you think it will be before another employee drops a dime on her? People are a lot more aware about what their coemployees are doing than you think.

Tell her to quit the damn job. Then start dealing with her behavior. So far, you let her call the shots. You need to start wondering about who you are living with, and why you are focused on om when she is the one who let her ass get pinned to a mattress.

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barcher144 ( member #54935) posted at 1:40 AM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

I don't think they would ever forgive her, honestly. I really disagree with that. If I want to forgive her, why should I have to put up with others not wanting to; judging us. I have told only people I feel wouldn't judge her or me (2 of my close friends and then all of you lovely people :) ).

For what it is worth, I don't think that you should tell parents either. You can tell friends, but not parents.

Me: Crap, I'm 50 years old. D-Day: August 30, 2016. Two years of false reconciliation. Divorce final: Feb 1, 2021. Re-married: December 3, 2022.

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 3:39 AM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Yeah i will definitely let you all know how it goes on Monday. Just feels great having a solid plan to end this part!

She tells me these types of things when we get home. I appreciate it actually. I dont want to stew at work and be angry all day. It's just amazing how little respect he has for her. She can see it and she says he knows it makes her uncomfortable. Hes such a dick and my wife chose him.... I dont get it.

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 3:43 AM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Longsadstory, i honestly dont feel a need to punish my wife. I feel like this long hard road (either R or D) will suffice. Every time i get upset or sad she'll know why and have to see that. I also dont think this is all about OM. It's about separating them. Her company is not going to punish her now. I doubt she has a case if it goes to court but the fact that there is even a chance of that happening will keep them from doing much. I do think that OM will tell people at her work about what happened but that will be for her to deal with.

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devotedman ( member #45441) posted at 9:16 AM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Her IDK can't be the ultimate answer, because she does know, just won't admit it.

I disagree with you here. I'll explain why if you'll kindly listen.

Most people don't think too awfully deeply about what they do. They come up with a plan of action, reverse-reason some god-awful excuse on the top of it, and go ahead.

Our real "why" is usually buried much deeper than that and it takes a good, trained IC to help ferret out the real "why".

It's prob just she was bored

She's a grown-assed woman. If she is bored she has choices.

1) Leave you without telling you why.

2) Leave you after telling you why.

3) Talk about why she is bored and you two explore it together like adults. Then either come up with a plan of action to correct or decide that it is impossible to correct and split. You then both work out details, have your moments of mutual rancor, get over it, and raise the kids.

4) She has sex with someone else as an exit affair, tells you, and leaves.

5) She has sex with someone else, doesn't tell, you find out, and _something_ happens.

6) She has sex with someone else, tells you, and _something_ happens.

Options 1, 2, and 3 show increasing levels of character and integrity. Options 4 and 5 show no character, no integrity. Option 6 shows no character or integrity at first but they creep in later.

Bored is not a reason. The real question is not "why did you have sex", the _real_ question is "What made having sex an acceptable answer to you rather than being Open, Authentic, Trustworthy, and Honest about the state of our marriage as you vowed to do when we married?"

Answering _that_ question will be hard. Very hard. Then, putting a plan in place to correct that character flaw and following that plan will also be hard. That's the only way to know that she _probably_ won't do it again. And _she_ has to do _all_ of that work to prove herself an acceptable, low-risk partner to you. You _have_ to step back and stop trying so god-awful hard to protect her.

and like the attention more than our marriage at the time, but she needs to realize it and tell me.

If she "realizes" and tells you what you wrote above then you need to file D immediately. That answer virtually guarantees that it will happen again because she hasn't dug deep to find the real why and you've accepted that as okay. It is not okay.

She's got an EAP? They do a lot more than a phone call. They saved my mind many a night by just being there. They're trained counselors, on the phone, 24 hours a day. No, you don't always get the same one. But they put notes in your file and read them when you call. They're designed for on-the-spot, in-the-moment help with a particular issue.

My EAP also offers six free IC sessions per-incident per-year. So, say I poke out an eye and have trouble dealing. Six visits. Then, my wife cheats. Six more, different issue. She cheated, she gets six free IC visits, too. After those six are up the visits roll over to Health Insurance (yes, deductibles do apply).

They also do Skype-type in addition to the phone calls. The EAP can also offer lists of ICs in your area with some hint of specialty, male, female, and distance from work/home/travel path.

They also offer lawyer references similar to the immediately above mentioned list of ICs. I have not used EAP for this.

desertmirage, don't accept "bored" or "you suck" as whys. People keep their integrity and character and leave for those reasons. She must know, for her, why stepping outside the marriage was an okay decision to make.

thanks for reading. comments?

Me: 2xBS b 1962 xWW after 2 decades, xWGF after almost 1.
Amelia Pond: Who are you?
The Doctor: I don't know yet. I'm still cooking.
ENFP-A. Huh.

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 1:17 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Devoted! Thanks! This is great. She's number 6 on that list. Yeah she's got a lot of work to do, and it's not something I can help her with. I really appreciate your input. Makes sense. The EAP is there and I think it's sorta like yours but not quite as good. We both have access to it.

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craig2001 ( member #55) posted at 5:12 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

i honestly dont feel a need to punish my wife.

Remember, there is a huge difference between punish and consequences, and your wife has not really had any consequences.

If not for the financial situation, I would have recommended she quit immediately, but finances or a concern, not to mention health insurance, etc.

Hes such a dick and my wife chose him.... I dont get it.

As they say on here, they usually affair down. And yes, it is usually a mystery why the WW chooses some pathetic loser, older, or whatever.

This is something only your wife can tell you the reasons. And I am a believer that the IDK answer is a lie.

As for HR, I do think your wife starts out with I made a mistake, and then just the facts.

People who admit they made a mistake usually are believed far better than those that appear to be lying.

Are you going to tell your lawyer the latest, the lawyers that said one more time, go to HR.

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 5:22 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Not gonna bother with lawyer. This has made it much easier since it's 3 times now she has told him to stop. Yeah, I agree with the "i made a mistake piece". There is more beyond "i made a mistake and slept with my boss" now and the more is a potential law suit if they fire her. I think she is pretty safe at this point, esp since it won't be a surprise to HR since just a couple months ago someone else reported him for harassment.

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Jduff ( member #41988) posted at 6:02 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Take advantage of the EAP because it is employer provided benefit tHat she Is utilizing as a result of the sexual harassment in the workplace that she is dealing with KWIM?

This is added protection for her. She should call ASAP.

The grass is always greener.... where the dogs are shitting.

-Soundgarden

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 6:07 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

KWIM? Sorry I didn't understand your post.

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 6:16 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Know what I mean, haha. Gotcha. So tell her to use EAP?

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Jduff ( member #41988) posted at 6:23 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Yes, she should take advantage of it. Her boss is creating a hostile work environment. She should do this very soon, have her talk to a counselor on the phone this weekend. Tell HR about the harassment and the fact she is using EAP to deal with it.

The grass is always greener.... where the dogs are shitting.

-Soundgarden

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 desertmirage (original poster member #55223) posted at 6:38 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

Not a bad idea at all. I want this taken care of Monday but if she needs a couple EAP sessions that's cool too. Even bring up A with EAP.

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devotedman ( member #45441) posted at 6:44 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

She probably does need to call the EAP, however - they are a benefit like medical is a benefit. At least mine is. They do _not_ report all conversations to the employer. Whether or not they record them I don't remember. Psychiatrist/psychologist notes are subject to subpoena, I think. Also, they will ask whether you or anyone else is in danger when you call. If you say "I want to kill the bastard with my bazooka" you'll see some LEA action pretty quick I'd imagine.

Don't lie to a psychologist/psychiatrist just like you don't lie to your Doctor. They can't treat what they don't know. Divulging is safe enough _and_ she needs to get in the habit of telling the truth.

As Edith here used to say, "Lies are manipulations, always."

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wk55hn ( member #44159) posted at 6:45 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

That's 3 times after she said no more.

Is three a magic number? My first reaction was, "you did this again, this is the third time, this time I am telling, this time I really mean it!"

What proof does she have? What if he claims he never asked her for a hug?

I don't trust your wife is telling the truth. I don't believe it, nor do I disbelieve it. I haven't seen much actions, she still is in the same place, working there, and all I have heard is what she says, and she has lied before, and she has told the truth before, so how can I tell this time is a lie or the truth?

Why didn't she just go to HR on Friday immediately, why did she wait?

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craig2001 ( member #55) posted at 9:02 PM on Saturday, November 5th, 2016

What proof does she have? What if he claims he never asked her for a hug?

That is a concern...does she have any emails or texts that show something like this.

On the other hand, he already has a complaint against him.

This is why your has to be totally honest with just the facts, not details of what she had done with the OM at work. Honesty goes a long way towards being believed.

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