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vatoloco ( member #56680) posted at 11:23 PM on Tuesday, September 19th, 2017

friend RichardS43

You are in a circle circling and not solving what to do. I ask you really want to know if your wife cheats on you?

You only have two options to get the doubt: VAR or Private Investigator.

I repeat, what is your gut feeling about this?

regards

INFIDELITY

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BlueIris ( member #47551) posted at 11:32 PM on Tuesday, September 19th, 2017

he then whatsapped me back saying he needs to get to grips with this new social media?!?!

The cynic in me says this was an attempt to throw you off their trail. I'd act like it worked!

Honestly, I think Bigger's advice is spot on - lay low, pretend you regret the inquisition, etc., and then after a week or two, monitor more closely. Just keep your game face on, right? Easier said than done, I know.

BW | Dday 2-20-2015 + TT for several weeks

"The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off."

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harrybrown ( member #59225) posted at 11:38 PM on Tuesday, September 19th, 2017

have you told her she needs to go NC with him?

It is destroying you. If she loves you would she stop?

How about moving?

Or does she have so much time, that she needs a job?

Have you told his wife?

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GotTheTshirtToo ( member #51377) posted at 11:41 PM on Tuesday, September 19th, 2017

The cynic in me says this was an attempt to throw you off their trail. I'd act like it worked!

Thus may well be the case - or perhaps....

Those who are being unfaithful sometimes imagine that the person they are cheating on is doing likewise - perhaps even hope that they are as it eases their conscience since they can then tell themselves that "they are just getting even". Did she perhaps send him round to check that you

a) were at home and

b) were not with a woman?

Again - do you know this guy's wife well enough to see how she reacts to you casually mentioning his visits whilst you're absent?

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Dontwanttogiveup ( member #60432) posted at 11:48 PM on Tuesday, September 19th, 2017

She is having an affair and gaslighting you! Go with your gut! I didnt and believed him when he said they were "just friends". They had a sexual affair for a year under my nose in my house. Your instincts are usually right. And its the worst kind of betrayal! Both of them lying right to your face. I am a month out from finding out about my WH LTA. We also have children the same age and were friends.

Me-BS/WS 49
Him-WH 49
LTA for 1 year, 3 other women before that but not LT
Dday-Aug 21st 2017
M 15 years
3 children together 15,12,11

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bobdobalina ( member #58678) posted at 12:01 AM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

this would be tieing and ones guts in knots im not sure weather you can get a log of the coincidental times or screenshot but this can either be him and her or her and another friend which could be verified

The 5 times he has been there while you came home are just the 5 times you witnessed it could be many if your in a position to call in more randomly through the day might be helpful.have you asked how often he calls in

Do a thorough search of the house to see if things have been moved on tables or bedroom items

and i take it the boxer issue has never been resolved

You really dont need this type of anguish constantly its demeaning and soul destroying

all the best Richard

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GaslightedWife ( member #56080) posted at 1:01 AM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

You can go to any store like best buy or even Lowes/homedepot.

Or online.

Nest cam.

Literally plug and play.

It has sound and you can talk thru it as well.

Set it up. Download the app.

And watch what happens.

It's like 200$.

Full of fear...

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 1:13 AM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

Richard,

This is a totally no-win situation.

Your wife takes a poly = she must have bribed the tester = she must have learned some tactic to swindle the test = the questions were loaded… No – poly’s cant be easily passed or falsified. You can train to pass a poly, but that’s usually done with a poly operator teaching you how to adjust and change your behavior. The odds of a person going for the first time and passing a poly are near non-existent

Alleged OM asks for daughter’s homework and that is suspect? Do you think “homework” is secret code for “can I do your wife”?

If they are in constant “it can’t be a coincidence” 2-3 times an hour many times per year, then OM would have known she wasn’t home. Why come over only to meet you?

Alleged OM is WhatsApp clumsy and that is all a suave trick to throw you off?

You have confronted wife about your suspicions and alleged OM keeps on coming over?

You hear some vague knocking noises and you assume it’s OM – who let himself in and didn’t even say hi to your wife before stamping up the stairs while your wife then finished her vacuuming before following him up the stairs for some nookie with OM…

I wouldn’t be surprised if you think I am the OM and this post is only to put you off track.

If you suspect your wife then DO SOME REAL RESEARCH. Don’t try to read innards and smoke-signals. But be open to the possibility that your wife is NOT cheating. Monitor her with VAR or nanny-cams. Don’t spend time wondering if some knocking sound is OM or the neighbor hanging up a picture. Listen for clear, real sounds.

Quick google search and you can read up on how to monitor or crack WhatsApp accounts. Get the MAC address of her phone off your router at home. Use your own account to experiment with first to see if you leave any traces or if your wife will be aware of your intrusion.

You are going to go crazy if you carry on the way you have so far.

[This message edited by Bigger at 7:14 PM, September 19th (Tuesday)]

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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antlered ( member #46011) posted at 1:37 AM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

Listen to Bigger.

Seriously, it's uncertain whether or not your wife is having an affair. If I had to choose I'm thinking 'no', but that's a soft 'no'.

What is undeniable is that you are reacting strongly emotionally and in addition to being miserable, are well on your way to permanently wrecking your relationship with your wife.

Get some counseling ASAP, and maybe some meds? Then, in a few months after chilling out, monitor with VAR. What you've heard on the recording was nothing. I've been there and believe me it is unmistakable.

However, right now you need to manage what is going on inside your head first and foremost. That is step one.

"Being cheated on was at once the worst and best thing that has ever happened to me.

"There is a huge amount of strength to be had from walking the path of integrity."

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 RichardS43 (original poster new member #60670) posted at 1:59 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

Thanks again all.

So today she came home, sat down with me and said what do I need to do to get you to believe me. She was calm, and nice albeit official.

I said 2 things. She agreed to them.

1) She said she would do a LDT at a time and place of my choosing with minimal prior warning of date and location.

2) She let me do this.

I wrote to her best friend (BF) on her whatsapp (I assume she would know as she sent her an "OMG I’ll call you" text a while ago in response to nothing).

Me: OMG Rich has found out. Can we speak x

(I then thought her friend rang- but it was someone else. So I then added:)

Me: "Sorry will call asap. Need your help don’t know what to do. Agghhh xx

BF: I'm running give me 20 mins xx

Me: Thx hon xx I'm so stupid. How am I gonna get out of this, help xx

BF: Call Me xx just tried calling xx

She spoke to her friend but was only marginally convincing.

BF: What's happening and paused.

W: He knows everything about AP name.

BF: About what, paused…and then said about Steve's mate? (who is the guy she admitted to kissing on the LDT 10 yrs ago).

Can I have your thoughts on this please.

Thanks.

I think her BF would have replied to the WA with something like "what are you on about" or "about what" if she wasn't wise to it. Not reply saying she'd call.

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 RichardS43 (original poster new member #60670) posted at 2:08 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

I know everyone says keep quiet and wait but I'm so eaten up by it I just need an answer. I can’t function normally and wait. I can live the lie with someone who I cam 70% sure is being unbelievably evil to me.

How can I change my mindset?

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vatoloco ( member #56680) posted at 2:34 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

friend RichardS43

You must urgently hire a Private Investigator, who gives you that tranquility.

You should do it for a while and see results.

I understand you're an emotional roller coaster, but that's counter-conscious because it puts your WW on alert, and it can be smarter.

Can you hire a private investigator?

regards

INFIDELITY

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chelsea9 ( member #47515) posted at 3:01 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

You need to stop acting on your own initiative and read the good advice on this board.

There are lots of people giving you great support and they are clear-minded and have also been through the whole process, including learning from the mistakes they made.

At the moment you are either alerting her to your every move (if she has anything to cover up) or totally pissing her off (if she does not). Neither will end well.

The fact she has allowed you to WA her BF and agree to a LDT are more likely indicators of innocence to me - it's unusual for a WS in the throes of an A to allow free access to anything or to make peace offerings.

Go back through the advice on this thread and then try and work out a strategy you can stick to. Or do you have a trusted friend who you can talk to, because you need someone to balance your emotional flux?

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 3:10 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

Richard,

This is really getting to you, but you really need to step back and compare the conclusions you are jumping to with the actual evidence that you have. They say that people can view life through rose tinted spectacles, and you are kind of doing the same thing, only through betrayal spectacles.

Your wife has already agreed to one polygraph, without fighting it, dithering, insisting that the tests are not reliable, or any of the other things that worried waywards do when a poly is suggested. And your wife passed the poly.

Now, to try and clear the air, she has agreed to another one. No fighting, no dismissal, no last minute sudden remembering of things she had previously never mentioned. Her response to the whole polygraph thing is actually quite amazing.

If she was guilty, she would have displayed at least some of the classic signs that appear in threads in the forum. She displayed none of them.

And if she is innocent, she could have taken offence at being asked to do a polygraph, and made a big deal about why isn't her word good enough. She didn't do that, did she? So what seems to be uppermost in her mind is doing whatever she can to prove she is innocent and nothing is going on. That is a sign of her commitment to the marriage, and to you.

However, you seem to have missed the significance of her stance. I am not criticising you for that, just pointing out that her stance in relation to the polygraph tests is totally in keeping with an innocent person who wants to prove her innocence, and who has accepted that her partner won't take her word for anything. If you read many threads here, you would know that most guilty waywards flee polygraphs like vampires flee garlic. Some try to brazen it out, agree to the poly, and then break down, often outside the test center, and confess to more than they had previously revealed. And then there are those who still keep quiet, take the test, and fail.

Richard, think about it: your wife agreed to the test, took it, and passed. And now, she is amenable to taking another, because she wants more than anything for this problem to be cleared up. How does that compare to the way guilty waywards behave? You need to recognise what your wife's behaviour means, and that she is very likely innocent here.

When you did the phone test with her friend, it could have been very revealing. Her best friend could have said, "Oh my God! He knows about Doug from next door! How did he find out?"

Did the BF say that? No, she didn't. She was baffled, and the only thing she could think of was an incident from ten years ago.

What does that tell you? It tells me that there isn't a thing going on with the neighbour, because if the BF knows about what happened ten years ago, she would know about an ongoing relationship now. And her response shows that she doesn't.

Richard, that is another major, in-your-face indicator that nothing is going on.

However, you let that slip by, and instead focus on:

I think her BF would have replied to the WA with something like "what are you on about" or "about what" if she wasn't wise to it. Not reply saying she'd call.

The BF was contacted while out running. A lot of runners follow a strict schedule, or don't want to stop in the middle of a session, so her generic response of "I'll call you" is simply a totally believable response from someone who wants to finish their run and not initiate a big dialogue before she has done so. Honestly, sincerely, that is what I get from it, and I am not a gullible rube. I have known lots of people send responses like, "Can't talk, in a meeting", or, "Will text later", in response to urgent sounding messages. Not because they don't care, and not because they know what the messages are about, but because they are simply being honest; for whatever reason, they just cannot respond there and then, and so they send a reply that will not generate more immediate messages.

Richard, your wife keeps passing test after test, and it is like you just won't accept it, and you go rooting around in the fine detail to try and find something to take issue with. Seriously, to me, the fact that your wife keeps passing these tests indicates to me that there is no affair. Fair enough, you may not like her friendship with the neighbour, and maybe you want her to tone it down, but there are none of the major giveaways going on in the tests that she is passing.

People here have recommended that you place a few VARs around the house in key locations, and that is what you should do if you are still sure that something is going on. I also said that you can buy small cameras disguised to look like digital clocks very easily, and those can also help. These things can help you actually see and here what goes on at home when you are not around, and they would be a much better tool for identifying inappropriate behaviour than reading too much into a throwaway response from a girl interrupted in the middle of a run.

There is one more thing that I want to mention, which is that if you keep piling pressure on your wife, and she starts to struggle, you may actually be pushing her towards confiding in the neighbour to say things along the lines of, "I can't take it...I cry every day..." etc, etc. People under pressure do confide in others, women more so than men in my experience, and if the guy is a friend, pressure from you might make her turn to him for support. And then you will see simultaneous appearances on WhatsApp or whatever, and convince yourself it is evidence of an affair, when she might - not is - be crying down the phone to him for support because nothing she says or does convinces you of her innocence and she fears for the future of the relationship.

Please, Richard, get yourself some individual counseling as soon as possible and talk through your fears and suspicions. Do not let the apparent desperation you seem to have for your wife to be guilty blind you from all the evidence that she is innocent, or - worse still - destroy a perfectly good relationship.

There is a saying I have heard about fixing something until it breaks. I honestly think you are heading in that direction with your unjustified certainty that your wife is cheating.

Please, calm down, and book yourself some counseling. This is starting to dominate your life in an unhealthy way. Counseling can help change your mindset, and you already know about the VARs and cameras that can help you find out one way or the other PROPERLY, without over-analysing the fine nuances of somebody's "I'm busy" message.

As Bigger said, you need to ratchet back, calm down, get some VARs and maybe cameras scattered around the place, and see what they show. And if they show nothing, you need to be prepared to accept it. So far, you have been ignoring any results that indicate innocence, and almost desperately clutching at straws that can be interpreted as indications of guilt. I think you need to ask yourself why you are so desperate to prove she is guilty. It is almost like you want her to be guilty. That is what is driving you crazy, and the thing that you need to talk to a counselor about.

The best detectives are cool, calm, and collected, and they don't make decisions without evidence. Think about that.

And please, do not let this ruin your life, your wife's life, or your relationship.

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 3:14 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

If there is something going on, you just screwed up and drove it all underground.

I don't know what to tell you now, you should have listened to those that have been through this and tried to keep you from making these mistakes.

I see little chance of you getting any useful information either way now.

[This message edited by twisted at 9:16 AM, September 20th (Wednesday)]

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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twisted ( member #8873) posted at 4:25 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

What was the deal with the homework?

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

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LifeisCrazy ( member #38287) posted at 5:00 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

Ok... so while I know that this is an infidelity forum there are times when the obvious needs to be pointed out.

This guy's relationship with your wife - whatever that relationship is - is making you terribly upset and making it difficult for you to maintain your marriage. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter if your wife is having an affair or not. What matters is that her relationship with this guy is upsetting you. And, most importantly, that she doesn't respect you (or your marriage) enough to end it. Period.

People who love and respect each other don't do things which purposefully hurt the other. In this case, your wife knows that this is driving you crazy, that it upsets you, and that it is interfering with your marriage. She should stop the relationship, regardless of whether or not she likes it.

The two of you need to work on your communication (maybe through marital counseling) and make it clear where your boundaries stand. You need to be firm about your view of her contact with any male friend. If she complains about that, calling you "controlling" or "paranoid" or anything else that diminishes your feelings then you need to stand up for yourself and make your expectations clear.

At the end of the day, a wife who does something that is clearly upsetting the other needs to step back and say, "What's more important, the fact that I [insert: talk with, share recipes with, go to yoga with, have coffee with, allow playdates to occur with, etc.] this person... OR MY MARRIAGE.

If the answer is that she puts ANYTHING above her valuing the marriage, then you need to reconsider where her head/heart is at.

Look, I know we all want answers. Is she cheating or not? But, in truth, cheating or no cheating, she is disrespecting you and your marriage.

THAT is what needs to be addressed.

"Pain is temporary. Quitting is forever."

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DIFM ( member #1703) posted at 5:42 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

I'm still not getting why you simply don't just say that for you to feel safe, you need her to stop using the app and including this guy in her life, even if it really is completely innocent.

Why can you not just do that?

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Northsider12 ( member #58789) posted at 5:51 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

Out of the hundreds of infidelity stories I have read, this story has the fewest red flags. What I see is someone who is convinced his wife is having an affair and therefore won't even consider any other possibility.

What I also see is someone who is going to let their paranoia destroy the marriage just as surely as an affair would have.

Me: BH
Affair: February-August 2003
WW had sexual interactions with a married couple. Claims it didn't get physical, evidence and common sense indicates otherwise. But really, who cares - betrayal is betrayal regardless of its form.
Reconciled

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 RichardS43 (original poster new member #60670) posted at 6:38 PM on Wednesday, September 20th, 2017

Thanks so much again everyone.

You are really helping me.

I totally agree with all the points you may despite not being able to calm down and stop giving her chance to cover.

I just can't get past the WhatsApp coincidences.

Yesterday when she was away with her parents they were on at the same time 5 times throughout the day. They were the only 5 times he was online.

However if she had a burner phone surely she would still take it with her? She could still hide it from everyone? So it doesn't make sense.

Maybe it is all just a horrid coincidence.

I have a chink of starting to believe.

M1965

THanks for a detailed reply. Made me feel much better.

I should say though that for 2 weeks she was very anti doing a LDTest.

I went home one lunchtime and she said - screw it, lets book one up.

But as I previously said she didn't get through. I called them c. 30 times and always got through. The guy said (I asked him) it's highly unlikely no one would answer - but I guess it's remotely possible.

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