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Women, When You Get Dressed, Is Your Goal to Impress Men?

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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 4:50 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

Hurt - I stopped reading after the word rsped. You’re saying I should consider what I was wearing if I was raped. Really? Really??? So I am to blame for being raped?

Well, we could always have sprayed acid in our faces to disfigure ourselves and reduce the chances of being found sexually attractive. Our bad. Whoops.

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Hurtbeyondtime ( member #58376) posted at 4:52 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

Sew...

No I never said that.. I think you misunderstood what I wrote.. I just told you I was a survivor too... an it wasn’t having to do anything with what I wore or what you wore. I was CSA do you think I could begin to say that a child is responsible.. no..... the pervert that did that was sick in the head. And it made me aware that I had to be careful... and that wearing certain clothes could give me unwarranted attention.

I’m am saying that we need to be aware?

Still don't trust him.

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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 4:55 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

I'm saying rapists are gonna rape no matter what you wear. I'm saying cheaters are gonna cheat no matter how good a wife or husband you are. Liars are gonna lie, abusers are gonna abuse, assholes will be assholes.

You be you and fuck anyone who doesn't like it. That's what I'm saying.

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Hurtbeyondtime ( member #58376) posted at 5:14 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

So going back to the original post!!

someone on here mentioned that they felt good when they dressed sexy!!! Question why does one dress sexy? Cuz they want to attract a man perhaps???

I think that explains it all ?

Still don't trust him.

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OwningItNow ( member #52288) posted at 5:21 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

Question why does one dress sexy?

Answer for yourself only.

I'm pretty sure you don't even know the rest of us, so why do you even want to answer for us? Stick with your own reasons for dressing and leave it at that.

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AbandonedGuy ( member #66456) posted at 5:30 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

It was clear as day what Hurt was saying.

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OwningItNow ( member #52288) posted at 5:32 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

One jealous woman does not speak for the masses. We know who we are.

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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 5:32 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

I am so very much profoundly NOT looking for a man right now. I dressed "sexy" (I guess) last time I went out with friends because I felt much more confident and happy with my reflection in the mirror for this occasion than I would have had I worn no makeup, sloppy clothes and not done my hair.

Wasn't looking to get pawed or anything. Just liked the feeling of confidence that looking my best gives me.

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OwningItNow ( member #52288) posted at 5:35 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

You go, Dee! Do not let these haters make you question yourself and your confidence. We know who we are. We have a right to feel beautiful.

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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 5:43 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

We have a right to feel beautiful.

Yeah, and that's the crux of the issue. Why is it that wanting to feel beautiful has anything to do with inviting people to hurt you? That is where it takes a very sexist turn. That's where it's also bullshit, as women in burkhas get raped and harassed as well. This is a problem with how women are treated and viewed in society moreso than what our skirt length is on any given day.

I have never thought that a man looking good meant that I was given a green light to abuse him or invade his space.

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AbandonedGuy ( member #66456) posted at 5:46 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

The amount of misconstruing words and completely sidestepping or ignoring points makes this seem like borderline trolling...

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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 5:47 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

Sure, Hurtbeyondtime, there are assholes with vaginas who exist to try and sleep with married men and will use anything at their disposal to get them in bed with her. I totally get that this is a trigger when you've been cheated on. I used to want to die when I'd be in a public place with my WH after DDay when I was futilely trying to R. Him being a cheating asshole wasn't the average attractive woman's fault, though. It's important to remember that. The problem was the asshole that I married, not the women who looked good in our vicinity.

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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 5:47 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

The amount of misconstruing words and completely sidestepping or ignoring points makes this seem like borderline trolling...

Call me out, then. Explain exactly what I'm doing that you find as borderline trolling.

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AbandonedGuy ( member #66456) posted at 5:54 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

If you can't see it already, what else can I, or Hurt, or RIO, or anyone else say to be any more clear? It's all here in text. Over and over again.

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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 5:57 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

Clearly I am not thinking on your wavelength.

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silverhopes ( member #32753) posted at 7:32 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

This is a triggery topic. And there are too many generalizations on this thread. Folks ought to be speaking of their own situations. Tell anecdotes.

To the ladies who have had experiences of OWs dressed in a way that upsets you, talk about that.

To the ladies who have been sexually assaulted, regardless of what they were wearing, and have been shamed by what they were wearing when it was the assailant who was at fault, talk about that.

To the guys who are triggered because of certain ways their wives dressed during their A's, talk about that.

Talk about YOU. Stop sniping at each other. We don't need to hurt each other any worse; we're ALREADY in a lot of pain. Please keep in mind that everyone's coming from a different situation and AVOID MAKING GENERALIZATIONS that put other members on the defensive. Don't blame people for the various abuses they've suffered in their lives, whether that's infidelity or sexual assault.

Please?

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

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Hurtbeyondtime ( member #58376) posted at 7:36 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

Wow....

OIN...

I’m not jealous at all.. if you want to dress sexy Please go ahead but don’t get upset if you get looks or comments..

After all isn’t that what the purpose is??

And I never said you couldn’t look beautiful but you are making it synonymous with being Sexy..

Dee

you want to feel confident and good?

Great that’s Awesome... but why do you have to look sexy?

So Lovely Ladies.. why oh why ..,Is your validation only through sex? Or catching a man?

You don’t realize that y’all are basically proving the points the Boys were making all along.

I know y’all hate being caught sexy handed but just own to the fact that y’all want men’s attention!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

And I exit Stage left!

[This message edited by Hurtbeyondtime at 1:38 AM, April 7th (Sunday)]

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silverhopes ( member #32753) posted at 7:39 AM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

And as for the discussion of whether or not to intervene when you see harassment, talk about your own personal choice around it and any anecdotes you have. Talk about YOUR OWN definition of harassment as it relates to your personal experiences in life. Please don't start claiming that men shouldn't defend women, or that harassment is something minor and people overreact, or make conjectures about whether people ask for it by wearing what they do, or accusations that people who don't intervene are cowards in general or whatever. Talk about your own life. Not everyone else's.

Again, please?

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Rideitout ( member #58849) posted at 12:03 PM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

Why is it that wanting to feel beautiful has anything to do with inviting people to hurt you? That is where it takes a very sexist turn. That's where it's also bullshit, as women in burkhas get raped and harassed as well. This is a problem with how women are treated and viewed in society moreso than what our skirt length is on any given day.

There is absolutely nothing sexist about that at all. If I make the decision that today, to feel handsome, I'm going to wear a fireman's uniform with no shirt on and go to the store, I have a reasonable expectation that it's going to raise more attention, positive and negative, than going in jeans and a tshirt. Exactly the same as you deciding to wear see through pants. Right or wrong, that's gonna attract attention. But it's got nothing to do with being a woman (except perhaps for the fact that women have a broader range of "acceptable" clothes to wear to different venues, you can wear pants, jeans, yoga pants, short shorts, skirt, dress) and everything to do with what our societal norms are in different venues and situations. If I'm heading to Fantasy Fest in Key West, my fireman uniform will be met with barely a 2nd glance; wearing it to church will likely get me kicked out/shunned. I feel like reading this thread some people believe that I could stroll out of the house this morning with a sock on my junk and go to the supermarket and nothing would happen. Ugh, no, just like you, no matter how much I want to go for the "sock" look, and no matter how comfortable it might be, I can't or shouldn't wear it, because it's going to attract a ton of attention, and probably get my ass whooped at some point if I persist in wearing it. If anything, men's "social norms" for clothing are much narrower than a woman's, I often laugh when I'm in an office building, men are all dressed in "uniform", dark suit, light shirt, tie. The only difference is the size and the shade of gray, black or blue. But the women, some are wearing suits, some skirts, some dresses in every color of the rainbow and print. Great, good for you. I'm happy you have that freedom, but I don't.

I have never thought that a man looking good meant that I was given a green light to abuse him or invade his space.

It doesn't. But the reality is, good looking men get their "personal space" invaded more. If I dress like a hobo, people will give me a wide berth. If I'm wearing gym clothes and looking scary, men won't look me in the eye and women will sneak looks. If I'm wearing a suit, people automatically assume I'm "important" and change the way they treat me. And when I wear things and am going to see other people, yes, of course I'm choosing my attire based either mostly or entirely on the reaction that it's going to evoke in other people. I sure a hell don't find a suit comfortable. I'd rather be wearing my warmup pants and a tshirt, which, just like you, I can do, but it's going to get me a different reaction than the suit will.

If people didn't react differently to different clothing options, we wouldn't have the multi-billion dollar fashion industry, we wouldn't have 4000 different options for "pants", we'd just have "pants that fit". Why do you think that people spend 5K on a purse, or 1K on shoes, or a man 30K on a watch? Those veblen goods exist primarily as a way to signal, to other people, your wealth. Got nothing to do, for most people I know who own them, with the watch, it has to do with what wearing as much as a normal family makes in a year on your wrist says to other people.

Here's a thought exercise. Let's say that Gucci comes out with the absolute best dress in the whole world for you. It fits you perfectly, it's comfortable, it looks fantastic on you and makes you feel wonderful to wear it. For the sake of discussion, let's say it costs 5K dollars, which is a ton of money to you, it's a few month's salary, but you've never had a dress that you look this good in. It's perfect. You decide to buy it, and when you get to the counter the clerk looks and says, "Oh, the Homebody dress, EVERYONE loves that one and looks great in it. But, you know why we call it that right? That dress can only be sold along with this agreement that says you may NEVER wear it in public. You can only wear it at home and only when other people will not see you in it. We only sell that dress so that you can feel good about you, not so that others can see you in it".

Now, sitting there in the checkout line, getting ready to spend a few months salary on the most prefect dress ever that nobody will ever get to see you in; what do you do? Did the dress just lose value because you can't wear it in public and show it off to other people? If you're buying this dress just for you, why did it lose value? How much value did it lose, assuming you'll be the only person to ever see yourself in it, even though there has never and may never be another dress again that you look as good in?

If you're buying this dress for you, I'd argue it shouldn't have lost any value. You still look fantastic in it, and you can wear it whenever you want, it'll be there helping you look great in front of your mirror whenever you need the ego boost. But, IMHO, if we're honest, I think that most people would put it right back on the rack and pick something else that they don't look as good in but can wear in public. Because they are buying that expensive dress for other people, to virtue signal, because it shows their body off well, and because they want other people to react to the fact that they can spend so much on a piece of clothing. No matter how good looking "The Homebody" dress is, it's not going to sell well if you don't get to have other people see it and react to it.

The same thing for lots of items like this. I proposed this thought experiment originally (not here, years ago) for cars. Imagine if Ferrari released a vehicle that performed just a little bit better than everything that came before it, and the cost was in line with a typical new Ferrari release.. Oh, super awesome, right!! Well, thing is, for some unknown reason, while Ferrari built the entire inside of the car, hand stitched leather, dancing horses everywhere; the outside of the car was built by the same design team that gave us the Pontiac Aztek. In fact, it's a part for part copy of the Aztek, even badged the same; from the outside, there's absolutely NO way to tell this is anything but Pontiac's finest. Once in the car, it's nothing but Ferrari and performs like a Ferrari though.

So, you can now buy a Ferrari that has no "signaling" at all. Yes, RIO's problems are solved, I can now drive a Ferrari into the hood!! Except, well, there's no way in God's green earth I'm spending 300K on what appears to everyone else to be the ugliest vehicle ever made. Because the value of a Ferrari is two fold, it's the performance AND what it signals to other people. And for a lot of people, the 2nd is FAR more important than the first. It's not the performance of the Ferrari that people are after it's the reactions from other people. I personally am a huge car nut, so, yes, I would want the performance too, but, if I'm honest with myself, a lot of the value in a car like that is what it tells other people. I can get better performance spending a LOT less on something like Corvette, why 3-4X the price? And would you spend 3-4X if there was nobody to look at it or see you in it? The answer for me is "HELL NO", take away the signaling value of a Ferrari, and, well, it's a Corvette. That's a little slower. And that's not worth 300K to me.

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deephurt ( member #48243) posted at 2:10 PM on Sunday, April 7th, 2019

I didn’t read all the pages and I’m answering the j Irish question.

I dress for myself first and then my wh. I don’t care what other people think of me or my attire. If someone tells me I look nice or they like something I’m wearing, I say thank you and appreciate it but I don’t need it.

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