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 SisterMilkshake (original poster member #30024) posted at 4:53 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

****UPDATE****** (page 2)

Okay, now that I have your attention, yes this topic is about sex.

Ugh. Where to start. MisterSister has Advanced Stage 4 cancer. He is terminal, but is doing well and his death is not imminent, as long as he doesn't become ill with something else. COVID-19, anyone. This is why I get so angry about people not wearing masks and social distancing. Just stay the fuck away from me.

Anyway. The treatment and medications he is/has taken has totally destroyed his libido. Nothing. He has no sexual urges, and doesn't miss it, because the feelings just aren't there. And, it isn't even possible for him to get an erection.

The thing is, he wants to please me sexually. And, I am not comfortable with it. I don't know if I can even explain it. I feel guilty, I feel so sad, I feel ashamed and selfish. I can't get out of my own head. It makes MisterSister sad that I can't agree to it. We tried and I couldn't climax and he works so fucking hard.

Haha! I remember awhile ago I had a topic post about women faking it. I could fake it, I guess. But, I am hoping some might have some good ideas. I am sure some have been in this position, but not many. I don't want to call my counselor/therapist.

I love MisterSister so much. He is a good man. He is a wonderful man. He is a fighter and so brave. He has been through hell the past 10 months and he thinks of me always.

I know it is the weekend and I probably won't be around until Monday, but I will be able to respond on Monday. Maybe sooner.

Thanks for reading! Peace and serenity to all.

[This message edited by SisterMilkshake at 7:28 PM, August 4th (Wednesday)]

BW (me) & FWH both over half a century; married several decades; children
d-day 3/10; LTA (7 years?)

"Oh, why do my actions have consequences?" ~ Homer Simpson
"She knew my one weakness: That I'm weak." ~ Homer Simpson

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Notthevictem ( member #44389) posted at 6:38 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

While we've had our disagreements sms, I do want to pop in and offer my condolences for your husband's condition. That's gotta be hard for you both.

BH
DDAY Mar 2014
Widowed 2022 - breast cancer

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Striver ( member #65819) posted at 6:45 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Sorry for your husband's illness.

I can see if the roles were reversed, a woman being ill, wanting to do it as part of being a couple, having a little normal moment. And the man feeling ashamed because it just feels wrong somehow.

I think it comes from a place of love, your H wants to do it, I understand your feelings, but if you can find a way to make it okay in your head it would be good. Maybe focus on the bond between you instead of just him and you?

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Chicklette ( member #70303) posted at 9:33 AM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

I’m so sorry to hear about your husband’s diagnosis, and wish you all the best.

In August my fWH suffered a massive bleed on the brain, and for the first few weeks after being in hospital he had no desire at all for sex. Like your H he wanted to please me, although I felt really weird about it, like you. It felt so odd being so one-sided. One of the best things about our sex life is the closeness and the cuddling afterwards. Anyway, although I felt wrong I did manage to enjoy myself, and it was nice afterwards. With the usual cuddles. I have no advice for you, but I hope you can find a way to relax and enjoy it. It’s good for both of you, and your H will get a lot of enjoyment out of giving you pleasure.

Sending you big hugs. 🤗

[This message edited by Chicklette at 3:34 AM, October 24th (Saturday)]

Me: BS 59 at DDay WH: 61 at DDayMarried: 27 years at DDay. DDay: 22 March 2019 I love him and have forgiven him. He’s very contrite.

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Anna123 ( member #70908) posted at 3:07 PM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Sorry you are dealing with this. I don't have anything concrete to add except I don't recommend faking it. That just feels like lying and if he knew you were it would make him sad that you did that.

Take care.

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somanyyears ( member #26970) posted at 3:42 PM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

..hi sms,

Simply said...'just don't give up trying!'..

smy

trust no other human- love only your pets. Reconciled I think! Me 77 Her 74 Married 52 yrs. 18 yr LTA with bff/lawyer. Little fucker died at 57.Brain tumour!

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Oldwounds ( member #54486) posted at 4:53 PM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Very sorry to see that update SMS -- damn.

I can say from a guy's perspective, even if he isn't feeling it and feeling out of it with all the medications, I can understand him still wanting to show you some love.

Don't feel guilty about your man wanting to give, despite the fight he is in.

The brain absolutely gets in the way with all that you have going on.

Maybe the next time you two set up a specific date night and build up to it with all the other intimacy stuff, hugs and all and see what happens. The only goal would be to really enjoy being near each other with zero pressure.

Married 36+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived.
M Restored
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 7:17 PM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

I'm really sorry about your H's illness, sms.

At 76, I can't do all that I used to be able to do, in many areas of life. I learned that I always valued the journey more than the destination. Sure, when the destination is in sight, it's natural, for me, to be impatient about getting there, but it's the journey that counts.

It's natural for most of us to want to give. You've always expressed a great interest in sex. It's OK to accept gifts from your H that he wants to give. I urge you not to deprive yourself and your H of the opportunities for giving and receiving.

It's OK to receive as well as give.

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex apDDay - 12/22/2010Recover'd and R'edYou don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.

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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 7:22 PM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

I have no advice but I’m so sorry to hear of your H’s diagnosis.

Married -> I cheated -> We divorced -> We remarried -> Had two kids -> Now we’re miserable again

Staying together for the kids

D-day 2010

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Justsomeguy ( member #65583) posted at 7:45 PM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Speaking as a BS, I'm assuming you are pretty empstheitc and giving, so the thought of orgasming without your partner doing the same might seem like you are taking it stealing something. At least that's how it would feel for me. What if you reversed the situation? How woul you, being a giver, feel about giving something to the one you loved? Now how would you feel about them being unable to receive it? Intimacy comes in all forms, and it is wonderful that you can sti experience it even if it is not the same exact experience. Maybe you, like I, need to learn HOW to receive and gi e ourselves permission to do so. Hoping good things for you.

I'm an oulier in my positions.

Me:57 STBXWW:55 DD#1: false confession of EA Dec. 2016. False R for a year.DD#2: confessed to year long PA Dec. 2 2017 (was about to be outed)Called it off and filed. Denied having an affair in court papers.

Divorced

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siracha ( member #75132) posted at 10:49 PM on Saturday, October 24th, 2020

Girlfriend , you know the journey is often the destination, ( read other replies later- already been said ) map out a cute authentic night for yourselves , massages , erotica candles the works.

There are a whole bunch of tantric exercises out there where you can enjoy each others bodies and if it leads to a finish thats great but if not still good .

[This message edited by siracha at 6:37 PM, October 24th (Saturday)]

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rambler ( member #43747) posted at 4:04 PM on Sunday, October 25th, 2020

So sorry to hear.

You both are trying too hard.

making it through

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swmnbc ( member #49344) posted at 3:20 AM on Monday, October 26th, 2020

You say,

I feel guilty, I feel so sad, I feel ashamed and selfish.

Can you elaborate more on that? What do you feel guilty about? Why do you feel ashamed and selfish?

We tried and I couldn't climax and he works so fucking hard.

This sounds to me like you only tried once? I could be wrong.

What was your libido like before your husband's diagnosis?

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hopefull77 ( member #43221) posted at 11:49 AM on Monday, October 26th, 2020

(((((SMS)))))

me-BS him-WS

" I will not define myself by what went wrong yesterday when I can draw upon Life and Love right now."

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ChamomileTea ( Moderator #53574) posted at 1:27 PM on Monday, October 26th, 2020

I'm so sorry. What a blow.

I have to think that protecting the honesty and connection between you two is more important than ever though. Toward that end, maybe you should talk about your grief with him, let him know that the last thing on your list right now is sex. Anxiety and fear aren't exactly aphrodisiacs, right? Let him know that you do want to be held and comforted and that you want to do the same for him. Assure him that if you do start feeling amorous, you'll tell him right away.

The end of the sexual relationship is a part of the life process and you're sharing that with him for right now. It gives you both the opportunity to find new ways to express the depth of your love. So, it's not so much about deprivation as it is about sharing a new experience together. Sad as it is, even the end of life stage can present opportunities for growth as you find new ways to appreciate being together.

((huge hugs))

BW: 2004(online EAs), 2014 (multiple PAs); Married 40 years; in R with fWH for 10

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 2:13 PM on Monday, October 26th, 2020

I am sorry to hear about your husband. I can't imagine what you are going through.

I have an older friend who's husband can't perform anymore due to health issues. What she learned is that the maintenance of sexual intimacy was still a need for him even though he could not function in that way. The touching and being close, kissing, and yes pleasing her was still part of their special bond. You feel because it's one sided it's selfish for you. I think if you communicate, mentally he still needs this. And, I can understand that you can't get into it, but if you think of the intimacy and love between you and him wanting that to still be expressed physically, maybe it will help you stop seeing it as so one sided.

Easier said than done, I understand because of my husbands back surgery and recovery last year. I know that part of my hype there comes from his hype and when he couldn't show it, I had a hard time escalating. Anyway, it's possibly a change of mindset, think about it as intimacy and affection and maybe take away the climax as a goal.

[This message edited by hikingout at 9:05 AM, October 26th (Monday)]

8 years of hard work - WS and BS - Reconciled

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tushnurse ( member #21101) posted at 2:44 PM on Monday, October 26th, 2020

Not sure where the mental hang up is for you.

You love your H, he loves you. He wants to help you enjoy yourself, and while physically he can't have the same result, he will find a lot of happiness in pleasing you.

How is that selfish?

Let it go. You know all too well that life is short. Let him have whatever he wants. I say relax, have a glass of wine (or whatever your drink of choice is) break out the Hitachi, and let him have at it. It's not always necessary for both of you O, but that intimate time and closeness is healthy and good for both of you.

Me: FBSHim: FWSKids: 23 & 27 Married for 32 years now, was 16 at the time.D-Day Sept 26 2008R'd in about 2 years. Old Vet now.

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 2:56 PM on Monday, October 26th, 2020

(((SMS))). I'm so sorry to have read this. You must be pretty scared. I wish there was something, anything, I could say to help.

I'd imagine your husband just wants to be close to you, to be intimate, to enjoy what's left of his life with you. I'm sure it's weird and uncomfortable, unfamiliar and surreal.

Follow your heart, you know?

Married 2005
D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022

"The Universe is not short on wake-up calls. We're just quick to hit the snooze button." -Brene Brown

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MrCleanSlate ( member #71893) posted at 4:33 PM on Monday, October 26th, 2020

SMS,

Reminds me of my younger brother in hospital dying of liver cancer.

One day I brought beers to his hospital room and we started to shoot the shit.

Before leaving that day he smiled and thanked me - Bro, I lived again tonight.

Sometimes it is just about wanting to live still.

WH 53,my BW is 52. 1 year PA, D-Day Oct 2015. Admitted all, but there is no 'clean slate'. In R and working it everyday"
To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day

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fooled13years ( member #49028) posted at 4:40 PM on Monday, October 26th, 2020

Whether physically able with the equipment God gives a man or whether something purchased at an adult store, there is something special to a man when he is able to curl his wife's toes.

I removed myself from infidelity and am happy again.

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