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 Brokenness (original poster new member #79168) posted at 11:37 AM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

My wife and I started dating when she was 17 and I was 21. She is now 35 & I am 39. We had 2 children by the time she was 21 and settled into married life and although it wasn't perfect, I've always felt it was pretty close. DDay came on Jan 23rd 2021 when I was away overnight and my wife went for work drinks. Although I was away I could see her phone location went from the function to a private address at 130am and then arrived home at 330am. I drove home the next morning trying to rationalise what explanation there could be but I new in my stomach what had happened. So after getting home and confronting her I was met with denials right up until I started driving her to the address I had seen her phone location at. She asked me to pull over and admitted something had happened but not sex. To cut a long storey short, within the next few days she admitted to full sex and my life as I new it was shattered. I never thought her capable of this and I had no idea how to deal with it. Hysterical Bonding is what I went through for months. The first week I was faced with her telling me she was not in love with me anymore and we should seperate as I would never forgive her anyway. With me an emotional mess, she agreed to move back in and we were in seperate rooms. She had been unhappy for over 12 months and out of love even longer. I was in so much shock as I had not felt this. Our sex life was ok (2-3 times a week) and we had never been a touchy feely couple so that was just normal. I discovered who the ONS person was and thankfully he had moved permanently from our town that same weekend (That's what the drinks were for) I made contact with his wife and exposed everything I knew. We communicated for a couple of weeks and were both confident this was a ONS and not a full affair. Jump forward to now and we have been in R for nearly 6 months. A lot has changed but it took a long time for the trickle truths to come out and some genuine affection from her. I'm only recently at a place where I feel I know the entire story. I think the hardest part for me was the rejection post DDay. I never had the begging for forgiveness or pleading for me not to leave her. It's only the last couple of months I see the emotions, the realisation of what she did, shame and remorse. This week I asked her to go and stay at her sisters until the weekend as I needed some space to reflect and because I'm still coming to terms with everything. 6 months down the road and I'm 30 pounds lighter thanks to the infidelity diet 158lbs and everyone keeps asking me if I'm sick! I've never experienced such sadness, anxiety and heart break. Through all the lows there have been some highs and I think our new found relationship is in someways healthier. I just don't know if I'll ever get passed the image of another man screwing my wife. I also worry that we will slowly drift back into our old life and then I'll start to just feel resentment towards her. I know our relationship will always be stained with infidelity and it has lost it's innocents but is there really a light at the end of the tunnel? How do I ever feel trust and admiration for her again. I never ever thought I would be in this situation.....but here I am!

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 12:03 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

You need to think long term on what you want.

If she doesn’t fix herself or come to terms with what she’s done just because this guy moved away doesn’t mean there won’t be another.

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 12:03 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

Dito

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Hippo16 ( member #52440) posted at 12:27 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

You now have a "what your wife did memory for life" and you must figure out how to live with that memory.

You can read on this blog many stories of men who have not found peace with the memory decades later.

Regardless of how you deal with the memory - it will always be in your mind.

As Marz notes - (my interpretation) - cheating is in her DNA

[This message edited by Hippo16 at 6:28 AM, July 26th (Monday)]

There's no troubled marriage that can't be made worse with adultery."For a person with integrity, there is no possibility of being unhappy enough in your marriage to have an affair, but not unhappy enough to ask for divorce."

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guvensiz ( member #75858) posted at 12:58 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

Sorry for you're here.

It doesn't seem very logical that she could do this in one night after having been together for 18 years. Are you sure it's ONS or that she has never had physical or emotional affaires with others?

Both the fact that she was able to do this and the behavior she displayed after she was caught show that it is true that she is no longer in love with you.

A lot has changed but it took a long time for the trickle truths to come out and some genuine affection from her.

She had already admitted to having full sex within a few days of confronting her, what were those subsequent trickle truths?

Real reconciliation requires a remorseful and willing WW. Is she there? Moreover, are you there?

First of all, you need to know the whole truth in order to know exactly what you reconciled with, what you forgive.

Did she give you a full detailed timeline of the A?

Ask her for a detailed timeline in which she describes everything that happened and what she taught and how she felt when it happened. Let her include when, how and why her love for you ended. Tell her it's going to be polygraph tested.

So make her realize that even the slightest lie or hiding the truth will have irreversible consequences, that the most painful truth is better than the lightest lie.

Are you in counseling?

Marriage counseling is not the right address. They usually question what you did that made your wife cheat. They make the situation worse by having the cheating spouse justify.

It's not your marriage that's broken, it's her infidelity. She is the one the first to fix not your marriage. For both of you I would recommend an IC who specializes in infidelity.

Best wishes.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 1:08 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

is there really a light at the end of the tunnel?

Yes, you can get there, but at the moment, you don’t know if it is through R or D. There’s also the possibility of being stuck in the tunnel for the rest of your life.

Sitting here in the cheap seats, with zero information about your situation other than your one post, but having seen over a thousand similar cases, I’d say there is about a 50% chance you will decide you are done and move to D. If you throw in on trying to R, that has about a 60% chance that you will eventually move to D after having done your best. If you stay married, I would say it is 50/50 or so that you never truly leave the tunnel. That can be OK if it is for the kids and you “reconcile” to that life.

I say all this to give you a realistic expectation of what is in front of you. This is hard. What you feel is normal. If you bail now, it is understandable. If you two try but fail, that is normal. If your life lacked a challenge, a hill to climb, you’ve got it now.

If you stay together, there is no going back to how it was before. Not the good days, not the bad ones. Just something new that you have to both invent and discover.

Best of luck, BK. Keep posting.

Sending strength!

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 1:10 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

were both confident this was a ONS and not a full affair.

It sounds like they consummated a simmering relationship.

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
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Want2BHappyAgain ( member #45088) posted at 1:10 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

I just don't know if I'll ever get passed the image of another man screwing my wife.

I've seen this as an issue for several of the BH(Betrayed Husband) on here. I have seen some BH's successfully R with their WW(Wayward Wife) though as well.

I know our relationship will always be stained with infidelity and it has lost it's innocents but is there really a light at the end of the tunnel?

There is always a light at the end of the infidelity tunnel . Your M(Marriage) may not make it...but YOU will! Each of us have to walk our own path toward healing. Some of us do have our WS(Wayward Spouse) willingly walk this path with us. Time will tell if your WW is this way.

I never ever thought I would be in this situation.....but here I am!

We ALL can relate to this .

EVERY affair is a dealbreaker. PERIOD. Now you have a choice. You can make a new deal...or you can end the deal. Whichever one you choose will be the RIGHT choice for YOU . Take all the time you need...this is a marathon...not a sprint. What you are feeling now is very normal...and you are doing great by reaching out to others who have been in the situation you are in now .

Everyone walks a different path toward healing. What works for some may not work for others...and that is perfectly fine . We ALL want to HELP...but some advice may not be what YOU need. Just take the advice you think will help YOU...and leave the rest .

A "perfect marriage" is just two imperfect people who refuse to give up on each other.

With God ALL things are possible (Matthew 19:26)

I AM happy again...It CAN happen!!!

From respect comes great love...sassylee

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OwningItNow ( member #52288) posted at 3:26 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

I think the hardest part for me was the rejection post DDay. I never had the begging for forgiveness or pleading for me not to leave her. It's only the last couple of months I see the emotions, the realisation of what she did, shame and remorse.

It is often said that it is not the cheating that kills the M, it is the behavior after the cheating has been discovered. Waywards do a lot of damage while they are in their selfish fog, and I am not sure if that damage can always be fixed.

It is possible that her current remorse is allowing you the safety to feel your full range of emotions--anger and hurt. It is common and healthy to also question the usefulness of the M. But, if she continues the hard work of healing herself and proving herself, it is possible for you to believe in the two of you again. It is possible to feel you have her full love and respect again. But it is not a guarantee.

Just feel what you feel. Send her away for a while. Be angry and hurt. All of this needs to be felt, and her commitment to the relationship needs to be tested. Time will show you which path is best. Good luck to you. You will get through this.

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Reject the rejector. Do not reject yourself.

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 3:30 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

I just don't know if I'll ever get passed the image of another man screwing my wife.

Let's start with some real talk: I don't think this is possible. By that I mean, you won't ever get that image out of your head. I don't mean you won't heal. I don't mean you won't get to a point in a few years where you can function better.

But I do mean, at least, I can say that as someone nearly 5 years out from D-Day, I still think about my WW's affair and her screwing another man (in my home, no less) all the time. It's part of the reason I post here on SI.

You'll think about it less as time goes on. But not a day passes when I don't think about it.

Much of the time, when my WW expresses physical affection for me, I think about it. And when we have sex, I definitely think about it (though not as much as intense as the "mind movies" in the first few years -- yes, the first couple of years the mind movies will be intense, most likely).

As one poster succinctly put it not long ago, you will never be able to forget the fact that your wife schemed to be penetrated by another man and then walked around with his DNA inside of her.

So that means reconciliation is a "count the cost" decision.

Count the cost, brother.

The price is very steep. As one WW told me here on SI recently, the cost is TOO high. Another WW said here on SI recently she wonders all the time if her betrayed husband would have been better off divorcing her, and she thinks maybe he would have been.

There's no squaring that circle. That doesn't mean you cannot reconcile, but you have to look at things realistically. As I'm often fond of quoting Orwell, "To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."

This is why Orwell recommended keeping a daily journal in your life, as a tool to ensure you would "live not by lies" in the words of Solzhenitsyn (I find a lot of parallels for the funhouse mirror of gaslighting, trickle truth and lies inherent in infidelity to the totalitarian movements of the 20th century).

If you really believe you can reconcile with your WW, go into it eyes wide open knowing you will most likely always see her in some sense as tarnished (and she EARNED this, by the way), that the image of her screwing another man will not quickly depart from you, if ever, and that the cost of reconciling with her is so exorbitantly high as to be entirely unreasonable.

But it's too preliminary for you to really count the cost yet. More concerning is what you've reported here. We've all had our hearts scorched by the fires of infidelity here. We know exactly what it's like. We also have had rose-colored glasses ripped from our eyes. We've seen a lot of situations.

And I can tell you from what you've reported here my spidey sense is tingling so much I'm about to crawl out of my skin.

I don't believe you have the full truth to this very day. And I think there's a decent chance that either your WW was carrying on a longer term relationship with this other man (or at least there was a runway of some kind leading up to the "ONS"), or that she's done this to you previously in your marriage. Or both.

Here's something very important: Most mature adult women like sex. They like it every bit as much as men. They fantasize about variety. They lust after men just as much as men lust after women. Adults who are attracted to each other who want to have sex with each other and who have loose boundaries within monogamous commitments will have sex with each other. Guaranteed. And women will never place themselves in proximity, contextual situation, and isolation with a man if they can help it unless sex with that man is ON THE TABLE.

Your wife didn't inadvertently fall into the sack with this man. She thought it through. She probably planned ahead for it to some extent, considering you were out of town. She sent strong indicators and signals to the other man she was available for sex. She may have even bluntly told him so. She encouraged an invite at 130 in the morning, or may have invited herself, or simply asked him straight up to bed her. Let's be honest: as police officers routinely say, nothing good ever happens after midnight. A lot of shady shit goes down after midnight, including infidelity. If she was out past midnight, it's because she wanted to get down and dirty with this man.

She wanted it, she sought it out, she planned for it at least partially, and she completely shoved you out of her mind. Disregarded you. Thought you wouldn't find out and it would be her secret.

Think that set of observations through carefully with respect to your wife, because THAT is the human being you are dealing with here. Not someone else. Not the woman you probably idealized.

Think about that carefully. Think about the story you're being sold. As has already been mentioned, I would recommend you:

1. Have your WW write out a detailed timeline explaining how she got to the point of this ONS, what their relationship was like previously and so on. There's very little chance that the two of them had not expressed in some way a previous attraction.

2. Schedule a polygraph to test the written timeline against.

3. Ask her to turn her phone over to you now for recovery software (Dr. Fone)

4. Ask her to take a full STD/STI panel. This is for symbolic reasons as much as anything else, but it also is a litmus test.

5. Have her read "How to Help Your Spouse Heal from Your Affair" and then she writes down a plan for how she intends to implement the book's recommendations.

6. Sign yourself up with a local individual counselor who specializes in betrayal trauma. Do this this week. AVOID MARITAL COUNSELING!!

7. Go see a divorce attorney. Most consults are now about $400-500. Do this so you will understand the divorce process and it won't be mysterious to you.

Those are some quick steps you can take in the next week or so. You'll notice that most of them are in some sense "stress tests" for your WW personally and for your relationship with her. She can fail several or all of them, and many WW's do fail spectacularly. When they fail, it makes them very bad candidates for reconciliation. It also means they are hiding something.

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If she won't write down the timeline and says "I've already told you everything" odds are she's lying about some aspect.

If she won't do a polygraph it's because she's afraid she'll fail.

If she won't do a full STD/STI test to set your mind at ease (even at this late date it's an honorable thing to do) then she's not interested in helping you heal and she may be worried she'll come back positive for some creepy crawly.

If she won't read "How to Help Your Spouse Heal" or tells you the book is heavy-handed, then she's very far away from being a good prospect for reconciliation.

I'd also recommend reading "Cheating in a Nutshell" and "No More Mr. Nice Guy"

The first book is a realistic, no holds barred appraisal of the physical and mental impact of betrayal trauma on a betrayed spouse. It examines infidelity in the cold light of day. Full disclosure: The authors of this book do not lean toward reconciliation. It's a bracing read, but it's grounded in reality, as opposed to happy clappy fantasies about "stronger, better" marriages after infidelity. Infidelity doesn't make things "stronger" or "better."

"Cheating in a Nutshell" is also a deep dive for explaining in rational and scientific terms exactly what is happening in your brain and why you feel the way you do.

The second book is an eye opener about male psychology and some traps of thinking you yourself may have fallen into. I don't say you are suffering from what is known as "nice guy syndrome" but you may be, and this book can help you begin to extricate yourself from these harmful feedback loops. It is not a guide for becoming an asshole. Far from it. It is a guide for becoming a more integrated man.

[This message edited by Thumos at 10:32 AM, July 26th (Monday)]

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 3:35 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

Good on you for contacting the other betrayed spouse (OBS).

Your wife is doing a lot of marital history rewriting, and you are taking it at face value.

Seems like you are probably dealing with blame shifting, though you don't mention it specifically. An A or ONS or any betrayal is a problem with the person committing the betrayal. It's not a marriage problem.

She is also "catastrophizing" saying you will never forgive her anyway. Maybe she is right, maybe not. I can't say. Typically this type of thinking is used to justify not taking any actions to help you heal or to heal herself.

Only you can decide if the stain of infidelity is acceptable or not. If I were to ask you before it happened, "what would you do if your wife fucked another man?", How would you have answered? This is another part of the struggle. You decide if this is really something that destroys your integrity, or proves you are flexible and resilient in the face of injury. And only you know if you really feel one way or the other.

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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Robert22205https ( member #65547) posted at 3:47 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

What you're experiencing is typical. First, your recovery didn't really start for you until you believed you know everything. Plus 6 months is no time at all in the healing process...think years.

The mind movies will decline over time. Whether it declines to a level that you can/want to live with is up to you (everyone is different). You have to decide what's right for you (there's no wrong answer).

Frankly, I'm not sure you're in R. Your wife has yet to prove she's a good candidate for R.

For example, what has she done to make herself a safe partner going forward? Why should you believe she won't cheat again?

Experience shows that it takes more than tears or feeling shame to make them safe.

Who else knows of her adultery? Family, church, employer?

Was the OM a supervisor?

IMO characterizing it as a ONS is misleading.

Rather it was a full blown affair starting as friends and seeing each other regularly ... then escalating to a flirty connection which she did not shut down .... and then escalating to adultery.

What's the difference?

Among other things, the level of deceit and her ability (lack of morals) to live a lie 24/7.

She made 100s of decisions to pursue a secret relationship behind your back that she knew had become inappropriate.

Finally, a detailed timeline of their relationship (including the we're just friends stage) is necessary for her to help fully identify how and why she cheated. And to make herself a safe partner going forward.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 3:54 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

we have been in R for nearly 6 months...I'm still coming to terms with everything

Those two statements are somewhat in conflict.

Give yourself permission to not be in R, instead to be in that period where you are deciding whether or not to try to R. Reset things, step back, and just watch. Her, and yourself too. You are learning things about yourself that you didn't know before.

Strategize. Do the math, as Thumos says. Figure out how best to try to R, and only then commit.

Rather it was a full blown affair starting as friends and seeing each other regularly ... then escalating to a flirty connection which she did not shut down .... and then escalating to adultery.

Yep

It was NOT a ONS.

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DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 4:05 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

I'm writing to echo the thought that what you're going through is pretty normal. Being betrayed is just plain traumatic - and painful. You can heal.

Here's some reading that's important for anyone contemplating R:

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/healing_library/reconciliation/what-every-wayward-spouse-needs-to-know.asp - if this resonates with you, I suggest printing it off and giving the printout to your H as 'something you found on the web.' My reco: DO NOT tell your H about SI until you're sure he's on board for R.

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=361740&HL=14993 - serjr threads for newbies

Tactical Primer:

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=235051

Boundaries and Consequences 101:

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=385631

Setting Healthy Boundaries:

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=231851

Before You Say Reconcile:

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=406548

The Simplified 180:

https://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=598080

20/20 Hindsight: What I Wish I'd Done:

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=161389

*****

My R has gone extremely well. I experienced uncertainty and pain, but my W acted consistently for R from before the moment she revealed her A.

Even so, it took me 90 days to commit to R, and it might have been better if I had waited longer.

IOW, both R & D can be honorable ways through infidelity. IMO, it's important to consider both. If you haven't done that, you may serve yourself well by stopping what you're doing and really considering whether or not you want to spend the rest of your life with your W.

R is difficult. If you don't really want it, it's too difficult.

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13YearsR ( member #58259) posted at 5:55 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

I think the hardest part for me was the rejection post DDay. I never had the begging for forgiveness or pleading for me not to leave her.

That's because you were the one doing the pleading. "With me an emotional mess, she agreed to move back in and we were in seperate rooms."

Through all the lows there have been some highs and I think our new found relationship is in some ways healthier.

After the shock wears off, when the hysterical bonding is winding down, that's when you really know what you're dealing with. Reality can be painful, but sometimes the bond after successful affair recovery is so much deeper and richer than the stuff that came before.

The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. ~ Gloria Steinem

The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because you're not over there messing it up.

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grubs ( member #77165) posted at 6:43 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

Agree with others that this wasn't a ONS. A ONS implies that the relationship consisted of just one night. Like a drunken fling with someone the WS meet up with one night. That's not the case here as I assume that her was a co-worker that she knew long before the one night of which she has confessed to having slept with him. What your WS did is a much more calculated affair. This also doesn't jive with the loss of love and and longer term "unhappiness" of your spouse. Generally you can trace back the start of the adulterous relationship to the when the WS started having those feelings and their behavior and attitude towards the BS started to sour. WS have to justify their affair to themselves. Very few want to believe that they would betray their family, so they manufacture rationale and reframe reality in their minds to give them reasons why the affair was not their fault. Instead of being a selfish act that betrayed their BS, children, family, and friends.

In order for you to have any comfort going forward, you have to be able to believe that you know the truth of your marriage. What DDay proved was that your truth and belief about your marriage wasn't reality. You have a new story now, but you still don't know if this is any more factual than your pre-dday truth. WS tend to lie. They tend to just admit what you already found out. That is going to keep you in limbo waiting for the next shoe to drop. Timeline and Poly, while not perfect, is your best route to gaining as much certainty that what you now know is truth.

Things that need to be tested.
Extent of the Affair which you discovered
Whether or not their were others
Whether you are the father of your children
That will give you at least some level of certainty that you know the true extent of the betrayal with which you have to come to terms. At that point you can work on whether or not you can move past it. There's not point in doing that calculus while trickle truthing is still in play.

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rugswept ( member #48084) posted at 7:57 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

The others have made a prescient observation about the "ONS". Given she knew him for a while (and apparently knew him quite well), this was nothing like a random hookup. Was she thinking about ffffing this guy for a while and this was fish or cut bait time (or did they cut the bait a while back).

The first week I was faced with her telling me she was not in love with me anymore

That is very telling about the way she talks about her feelings. It's apparent her attachment to you had drifted elsewhere or had wandered off somehow. That means this thing was anything but some impulse at some drinking event.

You posted this in the R forum. It really does belong in the JFO (Just Found Out) forum. I don't think anyone here would call what you are doing as R. It seems like fake R or looking for R. You shouldn't be there on that decision yet. Not from what you posted.

R'd (rug swept everything) decades ago.
I'm big on R. Very happy marriage but can never forget.

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13YearsR ( member #58259) posted at 8:51 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

You know, the others have a good point, and there's a reason that your gut is insisting on some space and time to reflect. Always listen to your gut.

She had been unhappy for over 12 months and out of love even longer.

Huge red flag that this was not a ONS. The "out of love"/IYBINILWY stuff typically happens as the A is ramping up, not before. If she told you this after discovery, it could just be her rewriting history to justify her bad behavior, which is right out of the WS handbook.

I made contact with his wife and exposed everything I knew. We communicated for a couple of weeks and were both confident this was a ONS and not a full affair.

My guess would be that it was a long term EA that culminated in one night of PA. A last hurrah before he left town. Or it's entirely possible that neither of you have the full truth and it was a full blown PA. I'm wondering if you checked her phone for texts and locations prior to the "ONS"?

The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. ~ Gloria Steinem

The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because you're not over there messing it up.

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 Brokenness (original poster new member #79168) posted at 9:25 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

Thanks guys, some great feedback. The reason I feel confident it was a ONS is because their work environment is a busy hospital and he was only there on a 6 month rotation of weekends. his wife told me she was with him on nearly all visits to town. She has however recently admitted to some inappropriate FB Messaging last year with her best friends ex-husband. She said it was for about a month before she thought "what am I hoping to get from this" I think this translates to, I don't want to risk losing my best friend if she finds out. I know the next few posts will be "How do you know this wasn't a PA" Well the short answer is, I don't and that's why we are taking a break. I only have her word that nothing physical happened. I have spent months trawling phone bills, running iPhone backup extractors, you name it I have searched high & low. The problem is FB Messenger is impossible to retrieve deleted data from. I don't live in a place that polygraphs are readily available so that is not really an option. To be honest I'm over playing detective. The more I press her for information, the more this pushes her away and I know that the response will be that I should cut & run but each time I've taken the hard stance, it emotionally breaks me. I second guess myself and believe I am causing more damage with my constant interrogations.

This new information of "inappropriate messaging" is just another bag of unanswered questions for me but I do believe it was longer than 1 month based on the break up of his relationship and the statement of " I haven't loved you in over a year "

I can already hear the advice but keep in mind, I'm not sure I can give up on this marriage just yet. Surely there is away out of this darkness and back to a place of love and commitment. I know it did exist at some point.

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 9:48 PM on Monday, July 26th, 2021

I can already hear the advice but keep in mind, I'm not sure I can give up on this marriage just yet. Surely there is away out of this darkness and back to a place of love and commitment. I know it did exist at some point.

It's very hard, especially early on. You need to let go of outcome based thinking to actually make progress. Your need is not to preserve your marriage. That may or may not happen. Your first need is honesty and transparency. It might be that the honest and transparent truth is you shouldn't remain married. You can't know that though until you have the full truth and transparency.

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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