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 OneLittleVictory (original poster member #61821) posted at 9:48 PM on Saturday, February 10th, 2018

I haven't told my story at length here but I will try to give a brief background.

I've been married to my wayward wife for 16 years now, although this last anniversary passed with acknowledgement from neither of us. I am not a professional but I honestly think my wife has borderline personality disorder. Throughout our marriage she always had such an exaggerated fear of abandonment. She was always excessively jealous and insecure. She would rip me to shreds if she thought I looked at another woman for even a split second. She was always accusing me of flirting with other women or accepting their flirtations, based on what I thought were normal human interactions. There were a few times when she crossed the line into physical abuse, and certainly many times of emotional abuse.

A few years ago, we went to visit an old high school friend of hers. At one point, her friend's daughter sat next to me on their living room couch and handed me cookies, which I accepted and ate out of politeness. The daughter was 16 at the time, and I was 39. So in my mind there was no question of anything inappropriate happening. My wife literally treated this as if it were an extramarital affair. She fought with me every day about it for a year. She accused me of being enchanted by this girl and wanting to leave my marriage for the girl. Completely ridiculous, but that's what she thought.

Then later in 2016, she makes friends in Facebook with a guy who went to her middle school in Nepal, although they didn't know each other at the time. I trusted her blindly when she said they were just friends. After all, she was the one who was always accusing me, right? In October of 2016, she finally got fed up with the trivial things about me that pissed her off so badly and she bought a ticket to Nepal. As I would find out later (on December 22, 2016), she slept with him the night she landed in Kathmandu. She claims to have slept him "only" three times but God knows, because she was there for five months. I also found out that morning that before she left for Nepal, their online affair included explicit video chats with mutual masturbation and exhibition of private parts. So essentially she had a revenge affair even though I was loyal. But there's more to it than just revenge - she thought he was hot, she said she loved him, and even considered him a second husband.

I was in shock and grief for months after my D-Day. I probably cried more in the 11 months after she left that October (because I thought she was leaving me for him - in retrospect, I wish she had done so instead of just cheating and coming back) than I had in my whole 42 years of life before that. My doctor had to put me on Lexapro to stabilize me emotionally. I had to go see a counselor. I drank and I drove like crazy and I lost all my self-confidence, which wasn't that great to begin with. It was a spiritual wilderness, the worst time of my life.

Starting last May, I have told her many times that I no longer love her and want a divorce. For many reasons I have decided that I am not interested in reconciliation. I have not taken extreme measures yet and she has resisted this with all her might. She says it's because she loves me. That may or may not be true; I really don't care. I think she has other motivations in any case, including economic and physical comfort, and health insurance, and fear of living on her own. She denies this when I accuse her of it. I make much more than she does. I've promised her all this support including all of my retirement (which admittedly isn't that much due to some bad decisions we've made) and told her that a judge would probably order me to support her for some time anyway. Nothing is good enough for her to just take it and run.

So anyway, we are just stuck in this limbo hell and can't seem to take the next step. I don't want to have to resort to cruelty like throwing her shit on the lawn and changing the locks. We had an agreement that I would at least wait until April to see how I feel, but honestly, I don't see it changing.

She works as a substitute teacher but has been looking for a permanent job with a local school district. Recently she told me she thinks she has been successful and will be making more money. So I replied by telling her that's great, now she will feel more comfortable living on her own - which she resisted yet again. I told her for the thousandth time that it's very selfish of her not to set me free, to refuse to give me my space to be alone and to keep decent women away from me who might be interested in me.

Much to my surprise, she responded to this by DEMANDING that I give her a shot a reconciliation. By this she meant, I need to spend time with her and communicate with her more (by this she means, like I used to before she cheated). We need to travel together to our old college town where we met. We need to go out on dates and movies just like we used to, so she will have a chance to show me that she's "changed". I told her I didn't give a shit if she changed, that her next guy can benefit from that if true, that I'm out and no longer interested. I might as well be talking to a brick wall.

I told her that I would be talking to a few divorce attorneys next week, and she responded, "No, you won't!" As if she can fucking stop me lol. Like, watch me do it.

I told her some of the many reasons why I'm not interested in reconciliation, which I can share here as well, but this is long enough already. One reason is because I'm no longer physically attracted to her. Because of her emotional instability, she gained tens of pounds after marriage that she's never been able to lose, so much so that our doctor was afraid she would get diabetes. As her faithful husband I felt the lost attraction but I overlooked it anyway. Now that I owe her nothing I don't feel bad about it anymore and I told her point-blank that I'm no longer physically attracted to her. She has responded by walking around the house naked as if trying to prove me wrong. I tell her to put some goddamn clothes on and she just laughs like it's a big joke.

So I guess this is where I am now. I am thinking to go to our old college town with her on some weekend between now and April, and dinner and a movie on some other night, and then tell her I still no longer feel anything, so let's proceed with the big D. So I'll at least take that excuse away from her.

Has anyone ever been in limbo hell like this? It's just crazy. I want it to be over.

D-Day: December 22, 2016

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tushnurse ( member #21101) posted at 10:08 PM on Saturday, February 10th, 2018

If you are done, be done.

Make an appt with an attorney and file. She cannot stop you. Find out your rights and if need be move out. Of the house or if nit feesible the bedroom.

You also need to understand that its her abise that makes her unattractive, not her weight. If she made you feel loved and supported yiu would find her sexy.

Me: FBSHim: FWSKids: 23 & 27 Married for 32 years now, was 16 at the time.D-Day Sept 26 2008R'd in about 2 years. Old Vet now.

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AngryandhurtinFL ( member #56503) posted at 10:10 PM on Saturday, February 10th, 2018

Since she didn't get your permission to have the A, you don't need her permission to get a D. If you feel it is a deal breaker, then she is going to have to accept that. Do what you feel is best for you.

Me: BS 42
Him:WH 46
Married 13+ yrs
DS 4 yrs old
AP: A coked out chickenhead felon.
DDAY #1 Nov 2016
DDAY #2-3 (due to TT) 12/2016 and Jan 2017

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 OneLittleVictory (original poster member #61821) posted at 10:14 PM on Saturday, February 10th, 2018

tushnurse: thank you for your kind reply. We already do sleep in separate rooms. I haven't seriously considered moving out of the house. My feeling on that is, why should I have to? I'm not the one who cheated.

D-Day: December 22, 2016

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Marz ( member #60895) posted at 10:26 PM on Saturday, February 10th, 2018

She cheats and demands R?

Man you have a golden oppurtuntiy to rid this of your life.

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Catch44 ( member #49899) posted at 10:36 PM on Saturday, February 10th, 2018

I am thinking to go

I just want to encourage you to enforce your boundary.

For you. If you do enforce it, there will be less resentment built up. And you will attract a different type of person.

It is a skill set for your next relationship.

Me: BH
3 kids. M 17year. 4 PA's. 4 Ddays
Progressing toward divorce.
"Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it."

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PlanC ( member #47500) posted at 11:25 PM on Saturday, February 10th, 2018

File for divorce and get this BPD and/or narcissist out of your life. As she was not a good or faithful wife do not give her your retirement. Give her the least the law will allow.

What are you waiting for? The bullshit will continue until you put an end to it.

BS 50; xWW. 4 children.
DD 1: April 2013, confessed ONS June 2012
DD 2: March 2014, confessed affair August 2012 through March 2013
DD 3: October 2015, involuntarily confessed 5 additional ONS starting August 2014 through November 2014 (manic)

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Freeme ( member #31946) posted at 1:11 AM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

File for divorce and get this BPD and/or narcissist out of your life. As she was not a good or faithful wife do not give her your retirement. Give her the least the law will allow.

This^^^

Also, why would you want to start dating her??? Take a trip to where you met?? if you are done, you are done. This is leading her on. It's prolonging everything. See a lawyer next week and give her as little as you can. She made her choice when she left with OM for FIVE MONTHS!!!! You had no say in her affair. Why should get get to tell you No to a divorce?

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 OneLittleVictory (original poster member #61821) posted at 1:43 AM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

Also, why would you want to start dating her??? Take a trip to where you met?? if you are done, you are done. This is leading her on. It's prolonging everything.

Thank you. Just in case I wasn't clear, this is her idea, not mine. I have no actual interest in doing any of that.

D-Day: December 22, 2016

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Crushed7 ( member #41129) posted at 1:44 AM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

Your wife has a deep character gap that is the source of everything -- the insecurity, the fear of abandonment and the ability to justify having an affair. Her extreme jealousy is both an outcome of that, but is also a reflection of herself as it was exactly the type of thing she was capable of. To top that all off, she is extremely manipulative and controlling. Her jealousy along with the emotional and physical abuse are examples as is her demands for a shot at reconciliation.

You've been living in a toxic and abusive environment for 16 years and now you've been handed a huge emotional trauma. That has an enormous impact -- not just the pain and grief that you've experienced, but this...

So anyway, we are just stuck in this limbo hell and can't seem to take the next step...I am thinking to go to our old college town with her on some weekend between now and April, and dinner and a movie on some other night

She is still manipulating and controlling. And you are considering going along with some of her demands to appease her.

No. Just no.

If she had truly been doing the work, had some signs of understanding her brokenness and had started to show some substantive changes, that might be different. But she is the same abusive person that has traumatized you for years and is trying everything she can to avoid losing control, losing you, losing the house and losing your finances. She doesn't have a say anymore. Not only that, there isn't any reason to engage with her anymore (e.g. she doesn't need to know when you are seeing an attorney, what you are thinking in terms of D, etc.).

Go hard 180 on her because you need the time and space to allow yourself to heal. Go see some attorneys ASAP, learn what your options are and do anything legally advisable to get away from your wife as quickly as you can.

I want it to be over.

What she has done is clearly a dealbreaker for you and, even more, there are no signs that she is a candidate for reconciliation. Go get sound advice and get yourself out of the abuse.

Me-BH
Her-WW
Last DDay-2012 (several month EA/PA)
Married 30+ years

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MidnightRun ( member #59434) posted at 1:47 AM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

File.

Tell her to go fuck Nepal boy.

She's off her rocker.

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Crazymixedupkid ( member #61385) posted at 2:22 AM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

Tell her to buy a one way ticket to Nepal. Her life with you is over, and I would assert myself in the home, change the locks and leave her crap in a box on the lawn. Stop offering her money, stop making agreements, tell her to leave. Tell her to find an attorney and give her your attorney's name.

She did not ask your permission for an affair. You do not need her permission to eject her from your life.

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fused ( member #61047) posted at 3:01 AM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

You don't need her permission to divorce her. Don't argue or take any ridiculous trips with her, just file and be done with it. Good Lord!

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 4:23 AM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

You are under no obligation to discuss anything with her.

Just do not respond . Do not give information. Do not agree to plans. Do not do not do not!

She is no longer in a M. She destroyed your M.

I’m sorry it had to come to this in your life but you should have a few pat answers for her. Yes, no and I don’t know will work as well as thank you (when warranted) AND something all the lines of “I’m not at liberty to discuss that with you”.

I suggest getting a voice activated recorder to record onversations. Beware of false allegations or fake domestic violence claims. When people don’t get what they want t they can be vicious and evil.

Best of luck.

And if I were you - because I am evil like that - I would say to her “if you want to reconcile then I want a post nup”. Get her to sign away assets and lesser alimony or whatever you can get excluded. And then D her anyway months later.

My post nup states that certain accounts in my own name are not considered marital assets and upon D - are mine. He can have no claim on them.

[This message edited by The1stWife at 8:48 AM, February 11th (Sunday)]

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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StillLivin ( member #40229) posted at 4:54 AM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

File. Get out of the house or get exclusive use of the house and get her out. Use LE if necessary to make her get out. Or just pack her shit when she goes out, change the locks, and have her stuff on the front patio...of course after your attorney gives you the go ahead. Folks with BPD can become very unstable very fast. Once she finally realizes you aren't budging she WILL retaliate. From this point forward, carry a VAR on you anytime you are around. There is a long history of men, and women, whose spouses made false DV charges.

Right now she thinks she is bullying you down. But once she really grasps that she's not getting her way, all hell will break loose.

"Bitch please a good man can't be stolen." ROFLMAO - SBB: 7/2/2014

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Oftencheatedon ( member #41268) posted at 1:44 PM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

Why don’t you DEMAND that she just STFU.

She is not a decent person. Take out the trash.

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Freeme ( member #31946) posted at 1:53 PM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

I suggest getting a voice activated recorder to record conversations. Beware of false allegations or fake domestic violence claims. When people don’t get what they want t they can be vicious and evil.

This is key. If you're WW were to claim DV, you could be out of the house, in jail, or a hotel but paying for both the places. She would also use the fake DV accusation to get sympathy.

Who have you told about her A?

Talk to a lawyer and do what he says.

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deephurt ( member #48243) posted at 2:08 PM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

It’s perfect rly okay for her infidelity to be a deal breaker.

Divorce is the natural consequence to cheating. Just some don’t wish that her. If you do, that’s up to you not her.

The cheater doesn’t get to decide what is best for you.

She is definitely not remorseful and not r material anyway. Remorseful ws’s would agree to d and not give you a difficult time. They would understand what they did was a deal breaker.

So what is best for you and block out her noise and requests by doing the 180.

me-BW
him-WH


so far successfully in R

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harrybrown ( member #59225) posted at 2:17 PM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

why are you still in contact with her?

go see your attorney, now.

hope you do find some healing.

read about the 180.

she had sex with him more than 3 times.

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Ferus ( new member #62589) posted at 2:33 PM on Sunday, February 11th, 2018

My first wife was borderline personality and they are extreme in their views and emotions. Very hard to live with. She had frozen me out of her life after 15 years after she had an affair. Then she was sort of shocked when I chose divorce after MY efforts to reconcile failed.

The larger question is do you want to be married to this person -- forget the affair for a minute. If yes, try the reconciliation. She gained 10 pounds, lost physical attraction -- that happens, that's not a sin or a fatal blow.

But it sounds like she is simply unstable emotionally and there will be more heartache in the future. Try to find out.

Meantime, definitely consult a divorce lawyer so you can be prepared for the worst. Your divorce would probably be ugly -- as mine was.

Me: BH, married 16 years
WW: EMA, PA, EA 2017-2018?
D-DAY: April 2017

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