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20/20 Hindsight--What I wish I'd done

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crushed/destroyd ( member #23956) posted at 8:39 PM on Wednesday, May 20th, 2009

such a great post and with so many new members joining by the minute i'm bumping.

Whatsoever Ive feared has come to life
Whatsoever Ive fought off became my life
Just when everyday seemed to greet me with a smile
Sunspots have faded
And now Im doing time
Cause I fell on black days - Soundgarden

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letting_go ( member #13774) posted at 2:37 AM on Thursday, May 21st, 2009

Put him out and required immediate IC for him.

"To change and to improve are two different things."
Anonymous. German proverb.

"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men." Frederick Douglass (1818-1895)

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naome ( member #23450) posted at 2:50 AM on Thursday, May 21st, 2009

I should have stood up for myself 30+ years ago and I wouldn't be going through this shit now. He just does'nt get it. He keeps saying it's the past. Past my ass deal with it

naome

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JustKeepSwimmig ( member #19269) posted at 5:50 PM on Friday, May 22nd, 2009

Bump

Mr. JKS - EA/PA
DDay - April 2008

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still confounded ( member #7826) posted at 9:28 PM on Tuesday, May 26th, 2009

bumping

"Sometimes, the rest of your life starts with goodbye."
D-day April 2005
(Married 33 years, together 35)
Divorced Dec. '05
Life is good, but it took a long time to heal.

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SuspiciousWife ( member #18108) posted at 3:24 PM on Thursday, May 28th, 2009

bump

Me - BW, 44
Him - FWH, 44
OW - former co-worker
3 great kids
DDay - April 25, 2008 - mostly EA with one make-out session

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KSA2 ( member #9474) posted at 2:07 AM on Friday, May 29th, 2009

bumped by request

No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it does. So, what are we, helpless? Puppets? Nah. The big moments are gonna come, you can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that counts. That's when you find out who you are.

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momof1 ( member #23766) posted at 8:35 AM on Saturday, May 30th, 2009

I like that you keep emphasizing on 'who cares if he gets mad'... that's a hard one for me. But I do like how my dad put it to me yesterday when I was asking him if he thought my doing something to further check up on what he's doing was 'crossing the line' & might piss him him off. His response "Who cares if he gets mad... the line has already been crossed in your marriage & YOU DIDN'T CROSS IT, so do what you have to to protect yourself." I just wish I could truly put it to practice & tell him how I feel, not caring if he likes it or not.

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Used Again ( member #16567) posted at 11:52 AM on Saturday, May 30th, 2009

If I had dealt more effectively with the first known affair, both of our lives would be different (for the better)now. Surviving multiple affairs puts a lot of miles on the betrayed spouse. Also, there are so many events to remember in our History books.

My wife has friends in low places.

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 katherine41 (original poster member #5792) posted at 3:26 AM on Sunday, June 7th, 2009

^^^

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realgood2u ( member #20940) posted at 12:18 PM on Sunday, June 7th, 2009

bump

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/phi/187640237.html

"Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cngsVlG3Z60

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badlyhurting ( member #18915) posted at 1:27 PM on Sunday, June 7th, 2009

promised faithgirl I'd bump.

Me - 37 BW
Him - 50 WX/Sperm Donor
5 beautiful children
Dday 10/29/07 - day after my birthday, 23 days before birth of #5
Too Many False Rs; D final Feb. 09.

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ThoughtIKnewYa ( member #18449) posted at 9:12 PM on Tuesday, June 9th, 2009

bumpiddy, bump.

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JustKeepSwimmig ( member #19269) posted at 2:38 PM on Saturday, June 13th, 2009

bump

Mr. JKS - EA/PA
DDay - April 2008

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Jade1964dream ( member #21362) posted at 6:04 AM on Sunday, June 14th, 2009

I pretty much stood my ground, I just wish I had done it immediately! and told him to get lost.

Jadie

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sofresh ( member #22912) posted at 6:49 PM on Tuesday, June 16th, 2009

Wow, I need to bump this. I am just about 5 months out and I have had 4 very false and very manipulative and therefore VERY damaging Reconciliations

I saved this to my favorites, but obviously forgot it was there, wish I read it after false R's 1 and 2 and MAYBE there would not have been a 3rd or 4th.

turns out my STBXWH is a sociopath...there is no help for these people. They are incapable of love, have no empathy and therefor no remorse.

I wish I did all these things too. It was a waste of my and my son's VERY PRECIOUS life to engage in STBXWH's *games*.

Sofresh

I'd like to summarize the above... comments included*

1. Reconciliation is ONLY possible with a WS who is quickly and consistently remorseful.

2. How quickly?

In retrospect, I wish I'd given my foggy WH ONE MONTH and no more. Some WS's never de-fog. And if they are still gaslighting and justifying over a month later, folks, I'm sorry, but it's not looking hopeful.

3. What do you mean by consistently remorseful?

My hindsight rule of thumb? Before a BS should believe that R is happening, a good solid month of remorse, without lapses of justification and gaslighting, needs to pass.

4. I wish I'd not given a damn if I made WS angry.

...a lying, still-cheating WS surely will bluster and get all up in arms.

5. Define your minimum standards and stick to them sooner rather than later.

These are the MUST-HAVES for your marriage to continue.

My minimums were: NC with OW; firing coverupper; honesty, especially financial, and MC.

gosh my minimums were NC with OW and transparency...never lasted more than 4 days!!!

6. Never reveal your sources

Listen to me. Never reveal your sources. An unremorseful or foggy WS will lie to the bitter end. They will swear on their children, their parents, on the Bible, etc. Just believe in yourself and your evidence. If you are confronting the WS, don't reveal the way you got your info. If they lie, just keep repeating, "You are lying and I know it."

I also like "you know the truth."

I revealed my sources when I caught WH on VAR with OW in MY house F'ing her!!!! He stole the recorder...DAMN!!

This was Right after false R #4!! I thought he was coming OUT of the fog....nope.

7. Gather up your army

You are at war for your marriage. Don't namby-pamby around. Depressed? Get anti-depressants sooner than later. Not sleeping? Get sleeping aids sooner than later. Hell, yes, go shopping and update your look. Get to IC. Vent away here. Out the OP.

8. The strategy

Given the above, I wish I had done the 180 for two months and no more. In month one, I wish I had defined my cores. I wish I had not reasoned, argued, pleaded. I wish I had just done the 180 for that time. Each time I failed, I wish I'd dusted myself off and plugged away at it again.

If WS has not de-fogged or is breaking NC with OP after two months proceeded to . . .

9.No contact with WS for months three and four.

10. Finalize divorce preparations, maintaining NC.

11. By month six, if the WS was still in the A, still breaking NC, still not remorseful. . . well, it's just my opinion that their actions are screaming volumes. They aren't gonna change.

12. File

PS he was so mad that I told everyone...20/20 tells me he was just upset that he couldn't start a R w/ her w/o everyone knowing what he did

[This message edited by sofresh at 5:38 PM, June 16th (Tuesday)]

ME BW 30 & DS 14 mos.
STBXWH 38 sociopath, SA living with OW 25
D day #1
4 F/R's and corresponding D days
For unhealthy relationships, Dr Seuss would probably say to us…
“Be happy its over, don't cry because it happened”

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redrock ( member #21538) posted at 3:00 AM on Friday, June 19th, 2009

Bumping for Totallyblown

I don't respect anyone that can't spell a word more than one way:)

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badlyhurting ( member #18915) posted at 7:09 AM on Sunday, June 21st, 2009

Bumping for bonbon

Me - 37 BW
Him - 50 WX/Sperm Donor
5 beautiful children
Dday 10/29/07 - day after my birthday, 23 days before birth of #5
Too Many False Rs; D final Feb. 09.

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 katherine41 (original poster member #5792) posted at 4:32 PM on Sunday, June 28th, 2009

^^^^^^

up

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sickaboutit ( new member #24615) posted at 5:24 AM on Monday, June 29th, 2009

thank you. It is June 2009, 2 years after original post. I have only know about the A for 1 month but this is perfect for me. I will use it. I will make my list and NOT compromise. thank you!

mojeet

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