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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 3:03 PM on Thursday, November 6th, 2014

(WH started his own thread under the Wayward Side called This is what happened. I encouraged him to come here)

Week 10 from DD1 & 1 week from DD2

Why am I fighting for my marriage? That is my scary question of the day.

I had an IC session yesterday. I told her about all the new revelations. She didn't say much. I felt little relief. I will give her one more chance. I'm not sure she's the therapist for me.

WH has told at least one of his friends now that he'd been lying to him. He's having to go back to the friends he talked to after DD1 and tell them he lied. I hope his friends are as shocked and disgusted as me.

I have a partial hysterectomy scheduled for December 8. I am looking forward to the time off of work. My performance has been greatly affected at work.

I'm terrified of him cheating again, and yet I wonder why I care. He's never been faithful. How can I believe or trust any of my marriage memories?

[This message edited by UnwiseOne at 9:34 AM, November 6th (Thursday)]

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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Crushed7 ( member #41129) posted at 9:50 PM on Thursday, November 6th, 2014

Why am I fighting for my marriage? That is my scary question of the day.

Great question. Make sure you have a really good answer after all you've been through - something that assures your own health, sanity and vitality moving forward.

At this point, you can easily say "I quit" and nobody could blame you. I'm so sorry for the barrage of revelations that have hit you in the past few months. With 10 weeks of additional hiding since Dday 1, now an expansion up to OW5 and a timespan longer than your marriage, you have to question everything including if your WS is capable of ever being faithful since this is now a very long running habit/character flaw.

Like you, I have counted several APs and the timeline goes back to within 2 years of being married. It is possible to fight and move ahead, but only with a full commitment from your WS. I've witnessed a virtual 180 direction change in my WS, a lot of work/commitment to getting to the bottom of why it happened (a lot of FOO issues) and her setting self-boundaries for her/our future protection. At almost 3 years out from the last Dday, I'm not chalking up a fully successful R yet because there is still work to do, but there has been significant headway, my own healing is progressing and our M stands a decent chance of making it.

[This message edited by Crushed7 at 3:51 PM, November 6th (Thursday)]

Me-BH
Her-WW
Last DDay-2012 (several month EA/PA)
Married 30+ years

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 11:18 PM on Friday, November 7th, 2014

Thanks Crushed7.

I am feeling so much better today. Actually around the middle of the afternoon yesterday I started feeling much better. However, I'm not sure why. I have now seen several explicit texts back-and-forth between WH and OW3. That was the longest running A (although apparently not the most sexually active--that distinction belongs to a OW4)Super painful stuff. It makes me think I have never have known him. He has never talk to me the way he talked to his APs. He called then sweetie, cutie, etc.

He claims to have done a 180. He is telling the truth about everything and is very sensitive about anything that comes close to being a lie. He admits that lying had become a way of life and it was an easy thing for him to do. He got very,very good at it. So far, I have no reason to doubt him. He is still very remorseful and apologizes often.

I contacted a OW3's boyfriend yesterday on Facebook. I let him know the kind of woman that he has decided to be with. He didn't seem all that concerned because the last sexual contact was about a year ago. I hope I planted seeds of doubt in his head though. I've then blocked him on Facebook and logged on to WH's Facebook and blocked him on the account as well. I told WH what I had done last night. He said that he was proud of me. He has been against the idea of me confronting her face-to-face. He's probably right.

[This message edited by UnwiseOne at 5:22 PM, November 7th (Friday)]

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 3:32 PM on Saturday, November 8th, 2014

MC in a few hours...

WH is going to have to admit to our counselor about all his lies today. she doesn't know about DD2 yet.

We discussed last night how he still needs to come clean to some of his friends. He has about three close friends he told about the A with my xBFF. He was holding on to the secret about the four other affairs. He thought no one would ever know. He seems to think it won't be that big of a deal to tell them. I reminded him that relationships are built on trust. I think he is underestimating his friends' responses. I asked him if he had ever had a friend that lied. He thought of one who lies constantly & how he is not really a friend, but an acquaintance. I suggested that person's lying Is probably why they are only acquaintances. He seemed to understand- he needs to approach his friends with a completely humble attitude and ask for their forgiveness. I personally would not keep a friend who lied to me. Anyway...

Amazing how my gut was right. DO NOT IGNORE YOUR GUT!

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 3:30 PM on Tuesday, November 11th, 2014

More revelations last night: I questioned him last night about OW4- his girlfriend that he had previous to us getting married. So, sometime around 2007 when I went back to college as a full-time student, he started F-ing his old girlfriend about once a week. (At least I know she is completely overweight & unattractive so that helps with my shattered self esteem a little bit

I wept. I told him I now regret all the time I spent on my schoolwork getting straight A's for my degree. It took me away from home. It caused me to say no to many activities that I could not do because I had to get my 4.0. I left my family and home a lot at this time. Sometimes, I had online classes and sometimes I had night classes. He had plenty of opportunity to do whatever the heck he wanted to do. He hugged me. He said being with a OW4 had nothing to do with what I was doing at the time. it's such a hard concept for me to grasp. That he could really separate his other life from our life-the life that I assumed it was reality for everyone.

My life is really like The Matrix. There's what I perceived to be reality& then there's the Real Reality.

"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

I took the red pill. I can see it all now. (of course, it is not Wonderland, but some sort of hell) I keep learning more and more about Reality-big picture stuff-when I ask him more questions. I don't think that it's not he's not offering he answers, but he doesn't realize the things I don't know.

[This message edited by UnwiseOne at 8:30 AM, November 12th (Wednesday)]

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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amanda123 ( member #43207) posted at 4:20 PM on Tuesday, November 11th, 2014

My gosh, where do you go from here? What do you do with all this information? After all these revelations are you certain you can forgive him?

For me any more information wouldnt be necessary. I think you can only take so much hurt. Obviously your WH didnt take your relationship/marriage seriously, sounds as though he didnt want to be tied down. Some people just cannot commit to one person, these people should not ever get married and ruin another persons life.

Many hugs to you.

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 2:10 PM on Friday, November 14th, 2014

Week 11 from DD1 & 2 weeks from DD2

It will be nice when I feel like Friday is just a Friday & I don't feel the need to think about how longs it's been since my world changed.

My IC asked me yesterday how I knew WH wasn't lying now. I admitted that I really don't. :/ But WH claims to not be lying. He said he is very sensitive to anything he says or might be about to say that isn't truthful. I have to let go ... I can't really know 100% if he's telling the truth. Hopefully, my gut will tell me if something is up again. He does not get a second chance.

Yesterday, I put the NC letter to OW3 in the mail. We found out where she works. Now, the letter to OW4 needs to go out too. These letters are definitely making me feel better.

I contacted my co-worker yesterday who is Facebook friends with OW4. I told her about the 18 year LTA. She said she isn't good friends with OW4, but she is acquaintances with her through her law enforcement contacts. They went out as a group to a concert last summer and also she might have seen her at a children's birthday party. She assured me I am better looking than her. Apparently, OW4 is good friend's with someone she knows better...a skanky police detective who is known through the department about her questionable morals and plastic surgeries. I"m not surprised OW4 and Skanky Detective are good buddies & former roommates. Apparently, I should be grateful to Skanky Detective somewhat because when she was roommates with OW4, it prevented my WH from going over to her house (only 2 miles away from us!) to have sex more often. I'm glad my co-worker knows about OW4 now just in case she runs in to her again in a social situation. I told her I wouldn't mind if she stuck out her toe just a bit as she was walking by in order to "accidentally" trip her. She laughed too.

Laughing is good! I need more of that for sure!

I hope everyone else's Friday is awesome. I can't wait until we are years into the future & this crap is far behind us!

[This message edited by UnwiseOne at 8:30 AM, November 14th (Friday)]

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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lovesobroken ( member #43588) posted at 2:44 PM on Friday, November 14th, 2014

((()))

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 2:49 PM on Thursday, November 20th, 2014

Someone posted this in the General section of the SI forums. I thought it was amazing. I definitely feel little support, as if WH deserves all of the sympathy because he confessed. As, a BS, I feel less understood. I feel ashamed that I didn't know.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/opinion/sunday/great-betrayals.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

AS a psychiatrist I find that friends frequently seek me out to discuss problematic events in their lives; it comes with the territory and I’m usually happy to do it. But I was surprised and shaken to hear from an old friend that her husband of nearly 25 years had long been accruing and hiding from her a huge credit card debt (in the six figures). Even after divulging his secret, the husband had lied about the amount, with the sum increasing every time it was discussed. And right from the start, he refused to document where the money was spent. He left it for his wife to ruminate on, trying to puzzle it out. The disclosure wreaked financial and emotional havoc on their family.

After my initial shock at this unsuspected betrayal, I began to recall patients I had seen whose situations were not that dissimilar. They were people who had suddenly discovered that their life, as they knew it, was based on a long-term falsehood. They were people who might have stumbled across family secrets on the Internet or found old bills from a spouse’s long-hidden liaisons.

This predicament, a sudden revelation of new, pivotal information about one’s life, is the subject of many memoirs: Bliss Broyard, in “One Drop: My Father’s Hidden Life — A Story of Race and Family Secrets,” discovers shortly before her father’s death that his family of origin was black and that he had “passed” for white. Katha Pollitt, in “Learning to Drive,” writes about discovering the infidelity of her long-term partner. Geoffrey Wolff, in “The Duke of Deception,” unearths evidence that his father had lied about virtually every aspect of his past: his religion, education, career and military record.

But what if you’re not a writer and don’t have the option of metabolizing this kind of toxic experience through the process of writing? Most of us can’t seize control of the narrative by publishing our side of the story or get the sweet revenge of going public with the other’s misdeeds.

Discoveries of such secrets typically bring on tumultuous crises. Ironically, however, in my clinical experience, it is often the person who lied or cheated who has the easier time. People who transgressed might feel self-loathing, regret or shame. But they have the possibility of change going forward, and their sense of their own narrative, problematic though it may be, is intact. They knew all along what they were doing and made their own decisions. They may have made bad choices, but at least those were their own and under their control. Now they can make new, better choices.

And to an astonishing extent, the social blowback for such miscreants is often transient and relatively minor. They can change! Our culture, in fact, wholeheartedly supports such “new beginnings” — even celebrates them. It has a soft spot for the prodigal sons and daughters who set about repairing their ways, for tales of people starting over: reformed addicts, unfaithful spouses who rededicate themselves to family, convicted felons who find redemption in religion. Talk shows thrive on these tales. Perhaps it’s part of our powerful national belief in self-help and self-creation. It’s never too late to start anew.

But for the people who have been lied to, something more pervasive and disturbing occurs. They castigate themselves about why they didn’t suspect what was going on. The emotions they feel, while seemingly more benign than those of the perpetrator, may in the long run be more corrosive: humiliation, embarrassment, a sense of having been naïve or blind, alienation from those who knew the truth all along and, worst of all, bitterness.

Insidiously, the new information disrupts their sense of their own past, undermining the veracity of their personal history. Like a computer file corrupted by a virus, their life narrative has been invaded. Memories are now suspect: what was really going on that day? Why did the spouse suddenly buy a second phone “for work” several years ago? Did a friend know the truth even as they vacationed together? Compulsively going over past events in light of their recently acquired (and unwelcome) knowledge, such patients struggle to integrate the new version of reality. For many people, this discrediting of their experience is hard to accept. It’s as if they are constantly reviewing their past lives on a dual screen: the life they experienced on one side and the new “true” version on the other. But putting a story together about this kind of disjunctive past can be arduous.

Understandably, some feel cynical if not downright paranoid. How can they know what is real going forward? How can they integrate these new “facts” about family, origin, religion, race or fidelity? Do they have to be suspicious if they form a new relationship? As my friend said in despair, “I’m just not a snoop; it’s not in my genes.”

And the social response to people who have suffered such life-transforming disclosures, well meaning as it is intended to be, is often less than supportive. Our culture may embrace the redeemed sinner, but the person victimized — not so much. Lack of control over their destiny makes people queasy. Friends often unconsciously blame the victim, asking whether the betrayed person really “knew at some level” what was going on and had just been “in denial” about it. But the betrayed are usually as savvy as the rest of us. When one woman I know asked her husband, a closet alcoholic who drank secretly late at night, how he could have hidden his addiction for so long, he replied, “It took a lot of work.”

FREQUENTLY, a year or even less after the discovery of a longstanding lie, the victims are counseled to move on, to put it all behind them and stay focused on the future. But it’s not so easy to move on when there’s no solid narrative ground to stand on. Perhaps this is why many patients conclude in their therapy that it’s not the actions or betrayal that they most resent, it’s the lies.

In this situation, therapy can be one path to reclaiming your past. Creating a coherent narrative of one’s life has long been seen as a central goal of psychotherapy. It provides the internal structure that helps us predict and regulate future actions and feelings. It creates a stable sense of self. But if, to quote Louis Cozolino, a psychologist who writes on the neuroscience of therapy, “memory is a form of internal enactment of whatever is being recalled,” how do we retroactively create a life story out of events that were never experienced? There is a disturbing bifurcation: memory no longer corresponds to objective fact.

As a psychiatrist, I can tell you that it’s often a painstaking process to reconstruct a coherent personal history piece by piece — one that acknowledges the deception while reaffirming the actual life experience. Yet it’s work that needs to be done. Moving forward in life is hard or even, at times, impossible, without owning a narrative of one’s past. Isak Dinesen has been quoted as saying “all sorrows can be borne if you put them in a story or tell a story about them.” Perhaps robbing someone of his or her story is the greatest betrayal of all.

Anna Fels is a psychiatrist and faculty member at Weill Cornell Medical School.

[This message edited by UnwiseOne at 8:50 AM, November 20th (Thursday)]

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 3:03 PM on Friday, November 21st, 2014

Week 12 from DD1 & 3 weeks from DD2

We both had IC appointments yesterday. We have a MC session tomorrow.

I broke down this week during one of our nightly talks. I got super sad and told WH how much I missed my xBFF. All he can say is sorry. And he does say he's sorry a lot. And he will need to keep saying it.

Discussed with my therapist about how I know about almost all sexual details from his affairs, except for OW4. She asked me if it would help me at all to ask for those details (I have been planning to ask him about specifics--and I know he will answer--that is part of the deal). I told her my purpose for wanting all of the details: I feel like if I know all of the gory details, there will be no way I can rug-sweep. She pointed out that she thinks I know enough--that I will not rug-sweep these affairs. I reluctantly agreed with her. If my purpose for knowing the details is truly what I just said, than I have plenty of details. I cannot ignore this. It's too big of a pile of shite. We can never go back to "normal." I feel like I was able to mostly let go of learning every sexual detail yesterday. I'm still a little anxious about it, but I am mostly at peace with that decision.

I had an unexpected trigger yesterday at work. I was completing an annual mandatory training (online) for Bloodborne Pathogens. The beginning talked about statistics about HIV/AIDS... when I've done this training in the past, this section meant little to me. But now...OMG How could WH risk his life/my life with unprotected sex?

I hope everyone's Friday is peaceful. Here's a song I've been clinging to for the last few weeks: There's Hope in Front of Me (acoustic) http://youtu.be/NuLEmwJxI9w or radio version w/lyrics http://youtu.be/9KIhYZQ_ovw

I'm on Planet WTF, but I still have Hope.

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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NeverAgain2013 ( member #38121) posted at 6:47 PM on Friday, November 21st, 2014

Why am I fighting for my marriage? That is my scary question of the day.

I honestly don't know because I would have been long gone, by now.

I notice that you have an incredible amount of anger and disgust toward the women your husband cheated with. You even question why one husband would 'choose' to stay with his wife - who cheated with your husband.

I guess I'm confused at the incredible anger directed at these women when it was your husband who continually disrespected you and your marriage and had no problem crossing the line with your friends whenever he felt like it. Most here say she was 'never' your best friend but that also would mean your husband was never your real husband then, because he betrayed you just as much as your BFF did. Directing all your anger at HER doesn't make him any less guilty. In fact, she was just one of many.

I don't blame you one bit for being terrified that he'll cheat again. The man has no moral compass whatsoever and he has no respect at all for human boundaries.

I was married to a serial cheater just like your husband. He'd cross any line and take any opportunity that fell into his lap, just like your husband. The difference is, I divorced him. I wasn't going to be disrespected for the rest of my life and have to worry constantly about what he was doing. Life is too damned short and there isn't a man on this planet worth that price tag.

Lastly, how can you possible say that you regret all the time you spent on your schoolwork getting straight A's for your degree because you think if you'd been home more this all wouldn't' have happened? What, you're not allowed to GROW as a person and better yourself because the poor, neglected little victim was left alone to his own devices? Seriously????

I honestly pray that one day you'll actually KNOW your own self worth, instead of compromising everything that you are for this man. I truly, truly do.

Be careful - that 'knight in shining armor' may very well be nothing more than an assclown wrapped in tin foil.
ME: 50+ years old and cute as a button :-)
Ex-WBF: Just a lying, cheating, gravy-sucking pig - and I left him in 2012.

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lovesobroken ( member #43588) posted at 10:15 PM on Friday, November 21st, 2014

Ya that's a bit confusing to me too. Seems like.he'd two people, one who goes out with uou and had these 'honest' talks with you at night and then this stranger who has treated you with so much disrespect. Its words vs actions, they seem so contrary.

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 2:28 PM on Tuesday, November 25th, 2014

Lastly, how can you possible say that you regret all the time you spent on your schoolwork getting straight A's for your degree because you think if you'd been home more this all wouldn't' have happened?

This feeling was momentary. It really took less than five minutes to come to my senses. I keep trying to take responsibility for his actions, but then I catch myself doing that and I change my thinking. I know I am not responsible.

Yes. I am angry at the APs, but I am angry at WH too. Every old photo I see... I keep thinking: he was cheating on me at that time. Since he stopped his deceptions just three weeks ago, pretty much all pictures are tainted. All my memories are in question.

And the emotional roller coaster continues....

He has one chance. One. He fucks up- I'm out of here. It's s terrible gamble, but I'm willing to risk R right now.

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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amanda123 ( member #43207) posted at 8:05 PM on Tuesday, November 25th, 2014

I think everyone has their breaking point and I think only you will know when that happens. You have a lot to digest and yes it must all seem like a lie, however I am sure there were real moments in all the years you have been together.

I too discovered not so long ago information that my Hs EA had been going on a lot longer than what I thought, years infact. What do I do with this new information? I have no idea, at this point in time I am feeling numb about it.

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 4:02 PM on Saturday, December 6th, 2014

Week 14 from DD1 & 5 weeks from DD2

I'm currently sitting under a hair dryer with color processing in my hair. I was looking at Facebook. Unfortunately, Facebook suggested I might want to be friends with OW3. WTF? :( I have never had direct contact with her so it never occurred to me I should block her. She is friends with two of my coworkers.

In other news, I have having my surgery (partial hysterectomy) on Monday. I'll be in the hospital for 3 to five days. I am looking forward to finally solving my bleeding problem . And I guess it will not be too bad to not have periods anymore. I feel anxious about it, but in some ways I also felt really numb about it. In some ways I feel like I don't even care. I'll be away from work for six weeks. I'm going to have a lot of time on my hands to think about my life. That scares me.

Most days, I am feeling really positive about my future with WH. Today is not a very good morning however. Facebook: Thanks for bringing me down. We do have a marriage counseling session this afternoon.

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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 UnwiseOne (original poster member #44760) posted at 9:03 PM on Thursday, December 18th, 2014

Week 16 from DD1 & 7 weeks from DD2

I am 10 days post-surgery today. I'm feeling pretty good. I decided I didn't need the Percocets anymore yesterday, so I am day 2 sans opiates. :)

These days, we are not really working too much on any adultery related issues, but focusing on my physical healing. It's a nice break in a way.

However, I am wondering if it's normal to feel like I don't want to ask any more questions regarding his As. I feel almost like we've run out of things to say. I don't know.

He and I were walking through the neighborhood last night looking at Christmas lights & barely talking. I suppose it's not so unusual for me, since I am naturally quiet. (I have to get out and walk daily- doctor's orders!) He told me he was invited to his friends' birthday party on 12-23. It's a yearly tradition with the bros to drink, smoke cigars, etc. In the past, he has then spent the night at his friends house (the friend is married with two children) because he was too drunk to drive home. He would like to do this again, and then he has an IC appointment the next day at 10am. His therapist's office is much closer to his friend's house than ours. So, it seems to make sense.

I know I need to let him do "real life" things to see how he deals with situations now that he has "changed." Part of me wants to keep him in a box close to me to keep him from ever cheating again. But I know it's unrealistic. He could be at work right now flirting with co-workers or getting a blow job in a nearby parking garage (that actually happened with OW3 ) He needs to do his own thing. What he does is on him. He knows I won't stand for anything remotely resembling cheating or dishonesty. I feel like I have to let him go. He still needs to be very careful walking on these eggshells if he truly wants to stay married to me.

Me: BW (47)
Husband: WH (48)
Married: 27 years in June 2020
“Children”: 23 25, 26
DD: 8-29-14 OW#5: xBFF
DD2: WH confessed 10-29-14 OW #4(LTA 2+ years), #3(LTA 18+ years), #2, and #1

Working on R

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LonelyHusband ( member #34145) posted at 4:14 PM on Monday, December 22nd, 2014

What he does is on him. He knows I won't stand for anything remotely resembling cheating or dishonesty. I feel like I have to let him go. He still needs to be very careful walking on these eggshells if he truly wants to stay married to me.

Well done. This sounds awesome.

Reconciling.
“A wizard is never late. Nor is he ever early. He arrives precisely when he means to".
Apparently not an appropriate reason for coming home drunk at 2AM.

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confused615 ( member #30826) posted at 4:40 PM on Monday, December 22nd, 2014

I feel like I have to let him go

At less than 2 months out from dday#2...why? First..you're not his mom. You don't let him do anything. Second..the question as to whether he was going or not should never have even been brought up. He should know he has no business going out yet. He should be at home trying to heal the damage he has caused. Not out laughing it up with the boys. And if he is going to be too drunk to drive home, maybe he shouldn't drink..and come home..if he does end up thinking *this* is the way to show remorse.

Did his "bros" know about the affair? Any of them?

I realize this is an annual thing with his buddies. The thing is..he cheated..and that *should* change everything. It certainly did for you..right?

Other than going to IC..and posting here on the very rare occasion..how has he "changed?"

[This message edited by confused615 at 10:42 AM, December 22nd (Monday)]

BS(me)44
FWH 48
4 kids
M: June 2001
D-Day: 8/10/10



..that feeling you get in your stomach, when you heart's broken. It's like all the butterflies just died.


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abbycadabby ( member #27428) posted at 5:11 PM on Monday, December 22nd, 2014

I agree with confused615. Your WH doesn't "get" it.

He has no business going out for an all-nighter with his buddies at 2 mo post dday. The fact that he didn't already know this speaks volumes to me. If he was really concerned about you and your well-being at this time, he would have told his buddies, "sorry fellas. I'm not going to be able to make it this year. Hope you guys have fun," without even asking you.

He missed a perfect opportunity to back his words of remorse with actions.

(((UO)))

WHERE'S THE PUDDING?!

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Crushed7 ( member #41129) posted at 7:13 PM on Monday, December 22nd, 2014

Part of me wants to keep him in a box close to me to keep him from ever cheating again. But I know it's unrealistic.

While this is unrealistic, it is also unrealistic to think that he has earned enough trust to do much of anything other than help you heal at this point. It all sounds so reasonable -- it is a standing/annual event, it is just the guys, he always sleeps over, it is closer to the IC, etc. -- but they are all excuses for him to get what he wants. It isn't really all that different than the self-centered thinking that he has had during the A's.

Me-BH
Her-WW
Last DDay-2012 (several month EA/PA)
Married 30+ years

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