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What is it we really hope to get out of reconciliation?

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 Sunny69 (original poster member #65876) posted at 11:10 AM on Saturday, May 29th, 2021

What sort of relationship does a WS really hope to get from their BS, when they were dissatisfied with enough with the relationship to enter into and conduct an affair, and still present themselves as a family man/woman whilst swimming in a sea of lies and deceit?

What sort of relationship does a BS hope to achieve with a WS when the WS has shown them how insignificant they were to them at some point in time/for a period of time. How can the relationship ever be anything near what we hoped our primary relationship would be when living with broken trust and betrayal.

I have found the thread healing and living with infidelity a very poignant one for me being 3 1/2 years post dday. It saddens my heart to see how much compromising/mental gymnastics a BS seems to have to do to try and make the relationship work and that there is a level of sadness which always seems to remain no matter how far out from dday we become.

Does a WS also carry that ingrained layer of sadness, for what they lost and traded for 'good times'?

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 10:27 PM on Saturday, May 29th, 2021

What's going on? Are you asking the questions you want to ask? Assuming you are, I'll share some of my thoughts. I hope I don;t stray too far from what you're looking for.
There are no rules.
One can hope for anything one wants. One can work for anything one wants.
One just has to understand that life may not give one what one (thinks one) wants.


...when they were dissatisfied with enough with the relationship....


A WS may tell themself that their A is due to some weakness in the BS or in the relationship, but I'm totally and, I suspect, forever convinced that the failure is in the WS. So whatever a WS may think,it'e the WS's relationship with the WS that has to change. Without the WS changing from cheater to good partner, R as I define it won't happen.
(Note: the 2 possible exceptions are permanent or, perhaps, indefinite but long term coma and dementia.


What sort of relationship does a BS hope to achieve with a WS when the WS has shown them how insignificant they were to them at some point in time/for a period of time.


I was insignificant to my WS before we met and probably before I started paying attention to her. I was not insignificant during her A. I was at the very least an obstacle to her A. But so what? I am separate from her. I'm in charge of myself; she isn't.
This is why I stress so much that the BS needs to figure out what they want and go after it. I wanted after d-day what I wanted before d-day - a strong, loving partnership with my W. I wanted to love and be loved. I wanted to be myself. I laid that out for my W, and she signed on, and we did our work, so we R'ed. If that hadn't happened, I don't know what I'd have done, but I'd have chosen my response.
We can't change the past. We can only choose how we respond to the past. BSes have a number of options for response that are healthy, ethical, moral, and legal. We are wise to choose among. We are even free to change our minds after starting down one path or another.
I wonder if this is bothering any reader of this thread: IMO, R requires giving the WS a pass on some pretty bad behavior. A person who won't give that pass can't R. There's nothing inherently wrong with giving the pass, and there's nothing inherently wrong with not giving it. The BS has a free choice.
Now, if you're torn over the pass, you've got a problem. If you're terrified of giving and/or not giving it, you've got a problem. If you're terrified of accepting and/or not accepting it, you've got a problem. If you're stuck because you aren't authentic, you've got a problem. But that's about specific people, not about the pass itself....

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Look, I've got a lot of sadness that stems from my W's A. Sometimes that sadness bites me in my ass today. I also experience a lot of joy that I wouldn't have experienced without knowing my W and without R'ing.

To a very real extent, life is making choices and dealing with the consequences. Sometimes the choices are difficult, sometimes not. Sometimes the consequences are pleasurable, sometimes not, sometime they're mixed. We don't have the ability to choose all our consequences. We just don't.

One thing you must accept though: you've been betrayed, whether you R or D. The consequences cannot be escaped. Oh, you can escape them by taking drastic action - but don't take poison hoping your WS will suffer. Don't punish yourself because your WS fouled up. The best revenge on any WS is to live a good, joyful life.

[This message edited by SI Staff at 10:38 PM, Saturday, May 29th]

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DDay - 12/22/2010
Recover'd and R'ed
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Notaboringwife ( member #74302) posted at 10:42 PM on Saturday, May 29th, 2021

I can't speak on behalf of my husband, who is the one who had the affair.

I am 2.5 years from D-day. Staring year three of reuniting. I call it reuniting because in fact that is what we did after separating for a while due to his infidelity. During the separation I healed. I felt liberated from this husband of mine who lost his head, mind, spirit and soul to his own insecurities at the age of 65 hence the affair.

I had no expectations of our "new" marriage. To me, this stupid affair was an interruption of our 40 year marriage. It was not the end of my world. Nobody died, nobody got sick, there was no dire poverty or wars, those are the real traumas. I have had my share of traumas in my life, and I believe that compared to that, my husband's affair is insignificant.

This is my view only. I'm sure there are folks that do consider an affair as a trauma and I am not here to change their minds at all. Just saying that for me, an affair is destructive but there are worst things in life...

I am not insignificant. I am not boring(my SI name ), I am an exciting woman who has lots to live for and lots to look forwards to. I have changed some of my behaviours to show gratitude, and appreciation. That is my promise to myself. That is not compromising nor mental gymnastics on my part. It is simply the way I chose to live my life today with my husband.

Sadness, sure, maybe more nostalgia than sadness. I am only human.

And I do have a good life.

Me: fBS late 60’s
Him: fWH late 60’s
DDay : March 2019
Separation: March 2019
R: June 2019

Shift your internal stance from "I’m right and you’re wrong" to "help me understand." Everything else follows from it...

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ISurvivedSoFar ( member #56915) posted at 12:08 AM on Sunday, May 30th, 2021

I think we need to let ourselves be accepting of our own choices and appreciate ourselves for our efforts at any given point in time. We also need to accept the changes that infidelity brings. Sure you can move on and change partners and that's great. But the tainted nature that infidelity smears on us remains. This means we are changed whether in this relationship or the next one.

I cannot speak for my WS but I know he'd say that he understands we cannot go back to the relationship we had prior to his infidelity. We also cannot go back to the people we were then either. We're both changed and we both like the people we've become but we're scarred but much healthier emotionally.

I think both of us want to be close intimate, loving, and great friends/partners. We're traumatized from this both separately and together. We're still healing quite a bit from this and what we have is right now. That's it. We have today and I tell myself that for today I am happy. I may aspire for something more tomorrow and I will strive to get it. I don't believe I make any excuses (any longer) for his behavior and I'm learning to accept the changes in our relationship just like I am learning to accept the aging process and the changes in me from when I was young. I may not be nearly as fast as I was but I am much wiser and make much better decisions now because I am experienced. That's the trade off between youth and age. I get the same trade off from the work done to process the infidelity trauma. The difference in the quality of our relationship before and after infidelity is enormous. But we lost something very special and it is likely gone forever. Accepting the change is key in my mind.

DDay Nov '16
Me: BS, a.k.a. MommaDom, Him: WS
2 DD's: one adult, one teen,1 DS: adult
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lifestoshort ( member #18442) posted at 1:13 AM on Sunday, May 30th, 2021

I noticed this a ton too in the past 30 days. I see such a huge difference in those who reconcile and those who left. You never get out of worry and anxiousness and hurt when in R.

In 2007 thats what I wanted. R. I wanted him to choose me and the family. I pushed him to do it. he didnt. I saw what I wanted but my heart knew. He would continue to hurt me because he was not capable of truth or being faithful.

what I really wanted was to not be ashamed of was a 2nd marriage failing, and my husband cheating on me. I wanted to succeed but deep down i hated him and wanted him to die of cancer or something. I hated him with every last blood drop in me. all these years later, I dont feel any different. I still loathe him and havent seen him in 5 yrs. Im raising our kids alone.

now that this new bf cheated, I wanted it to work because Im older and didnt want to start over. I figured we could fix this cause we have been thru some other hard times and we did get better. But the more I found out, the more the long lasting love faded. I dont know when it ended but it just did. Maybe I wanted to rug sweep and prevail too. Maybe I wanted my great sex life to continue cause we sure had that.

in the end, the R doesnt seem worth it. but you cant say you tried everything if you have not. so I think even with all the hell, its why we do it.

Im 45. 1st H I left in 2001 after 3 kids. narcassist.
2nd exH had MANY affairs.FALSE R. cheats again. D 5/09. 2 kids. I got 100% custody. ex hasnt seen kids in 6 yrs.
2014 to now: dated highschool sweetheart. He cheated w 23 yr old & left.

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steadychevy ( member #42608) posted at 2:19 AM on Sunday, May 30th, 2021

I also experience a lot of joy that I wouldn't have experienced without knowing my W and without R'ing.

How do you know that, sisoon? How do you know there wouldn't have been something much better with more joy than

Look, I've got a lot of sadness that stems from my W's A. Sometimes that sadness bites me in my ass today.

This from a spouse that betrayed you with adultery and lied, gaslighted and blameshifted?

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 6:19 PM on Sunday, May 30th, 2021

I also experience a lot of joy that I wouldn't have experienced without knowing my W and without R'ing.

How do you know that, sisoon? How do you know there wouldn't have been something much better with more joy than

I don't - but human beings never can know the joy or pain or any other consequence of the path not taken.

Look, I've got a lot of sadness that stems from my W's A. Sometimes that sadness bites me in my ass today.

This from a spouse that betrayed you with adultery and lied, gaslighted and blameshifted?

No blame-shifting ever. Lies and betrayal, yes, before d-day. The last lie or betrayal occurred on 12/21/2010.

Also, remember that in my view, W betrayed herself before she betrayed me. I usually see myself and most BSes as collateral damage. That's not the only way to view BSes, but it's the one that seems most accurate to me. That's an opinion, though, not a fact that can be tested and proved - or disproved.

You never get out of worry and anxiousness and hurt when in R.

Well, I stopped worrying long ago, and I'm not anxious about my M.

I think my W is extremely unlikely to betray me again, and I think she's much less likely to betray me than any new person I meet.

More important, if she does, I know I'll survive and, I think, thrive.

But these life positions come from recovering from being betrayed, not from doing R.

If I were afraid my W would cheat again, I think my real fear would be about my ability - inability? - to heal from another A. If I didn't trust myself to heal, I don't think we'd be together.

I consider myself to be 'healed.' There are other ideas/attitudes/positions that can be part of healing. I've shared the above thoughts only as examples. To heal, each of has to figure out the thought patterns that work for for us as individuals. My goal in sharing is to help others find the thoughts they need for their own healing.

[This message edited by sisoon at 12:25 PM, May 30th (Sunday)]

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DDay - 12/22/2010
Recover'd and R'ed
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CaptainRogers ( member #57127) posted at 7:06 PM on Sunday, May 30th, 2021

Also, remember that in my view, W betrayed herself before she betrayed me. I usually see myself and most BSes as collateral damage.

100% with you on that perspective, sisoon. I think that's why it is oftentimes so difficult for WSs to comprehend the damage done to their BS. They truly never saw it coming. Then to deal with their own betrayal of whom they believed themselves to be dumped on top of that, it is a double dose. The ability (or inability) to figure out how to focus on TWO betrayals really does gyide the entire R process.

I truly believe that those who R closer to that 2 year mark are those whose WS can be focused in both places. For those who solely focus on themselves (or on neither partner) are the ones who end up with D. And, I'd be willing to bet, the ones who focus solely on the BS are the ones who often end up with another A.

BS: 42 on D-day
WW: 43 on D-day
Together since '89; still working on what tomorrow will bring.
D-Day v1.0: Jan '17; EA
D-day v2.0: Mar '18; no, it was physical

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DaddyDom ( member #56960) posted at 8:15 PM on Sunday, May 30th, 2021

Does a WS also carry that ingrained layer of sadness, for what they lost and traded for 'good times'?

I love how you worded this as "ingrained layer of sadness", I think that's very much what it is like as a WS as well, however, I say that with the caveat that I think a WS can't really get to this point until they can see past themselves, and that takes a lot of repair to one's soul. WS's, pretty much by definition, have lost (or severely damaged) their own humanity. Before a WS even begins their betrayal, they have already come to a place where their own dignity and self-respect no longer exist. If it did, they would never had been able to have an affair, for their own sake's if not the sake of their spouse as well. The sadness most WS's experience early on is really shame in disguise. Yes, they are sad for what they lost, but not in the way you mean it. At that point, they are sad for themselves without a greater sense of empathy for others, and they often view their sadness through the eyes of a victim rather than taking ownership of their part in the outcomes.

All that being said however, if the WS can get back to a place where their humanity/soul returns, and along with that, the overwhelming sense of the depth and breadth of the damage they've caused, to both themselves and to others, then yes, what they are left with is a profound sense of sadness. The needless damage and loss from their actions is breathtaking. Worse yet is the knowledge of the part they played in it all, of who they became (or who they weren't might be more accurate), of the permanent damage done to the lives of those they love and were supposed to protect, and the knowledge that they and they alone, bear the burden of all of that. The damage done to others. The damage done to themselves. The damage done to the universe even.

And so what was once overwhelming shame, now becomes perpetual sadness, grief, and a sense of loss. It feels as if there is never enough air in the room to actually breathe sometimes. It feels as if joy is buried in the backyard, so close but so unobtainable. It feels like losing a limb, but somehow this limb was part of their soul, and it's gone now. And it is permanent. And it is the legacy they, sadly, carry with them for the rest of their lives.

One thing I'll say is, as a WS, I was stuck in that "shame spiral" for so very long, and it took me forever to not only figure that out, but moreover, understand how selfish it really was, and how it continued to lock me into a way of thinking only about myself. I was unable to carry the sadness you speak of, because I lacked the humanity to do so. So now, even though I now see this "persistent sadness" as a natural consequence of the trauma that occurred, I also have a lesson that I need to carry forward, and that is, to simply not get lost in the sadness. It is there, and I honestly don't think it will ever go fully away, but I can choose to lose myself to it, or to learn and grow from it. I can allow myself to feel it, but now, it is not my pain nor my burden alone. It is shared by my wife, and it is shared by my kids, and by everyone in my life to one degree or another. We have a shared story, a shared experience, and so we share the sadness from it. And so I know I need to be there, both for them, and with them, so that we can not feel so alone in it. In a way, I owe it to my wife and kids to feel and own that sadness, as they need to know that I understand what I did, and how it affected them. But I also owe it to them to crawl past the sadness and lift them up as best I can, because that's how people with souls treat the people they love. We do all we can to lift them up, even when we need lifting up ourselves.

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BS: ISurvivedSoFar
D-Day Nov '16
Status: Reconciling
"I am floored by the amount of grace and love she has shown me in choosing to stay and fight for our marriage. I took everything from her, and yet she chose to forgive me."

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Want2BHappyAgain ( member #45088) posted at 8:52 PM on Sunday, May 30th, 2021

What is it we really hope to get out of reconciliation?

That wasn't the question I asked myself. I asked what it was that I wanted MY life to be . I literally wrote down EVERYTHING I wanted in life! Then I tweaked the list a bit and narrowed it down to something that was what I would want my life to BE. I wanted a happy and healthy marriage with a loving and faithful spouse . I then told my H what I wanted. I told him IF he wanted this too...GREAT! If not...I was finding someone who would!! My H totally agreed that this was what HE wanted too...so we set out making OUR life to be this way . It has honestly turned out to be BETTER than either of us ever dreamed it could be .

I had to go back and read the thread you mentioned. It starts out kind of sad...I felt so bad for those posting . But on page 2...it started to perk up a bit . I need to go back on that thread and post MY feelings about it !!

EVERY traumatic event has sad memories . I went to a funeral of a dear friend last week that was very traumatic for his widow . The wife was inconsolable...she will never be the same . The difference between her and my trauma is that I still have my H here with me. YES...I will take infidelity over the death of my H ANY DAY !!!

A "perfect marriage" is just two imperfect people who refuse to give up on each other.

With God ALL things are possible (Matthew 19:26)

I AM happy again...It CAN happen!!!

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icangetpastthis ( new member #74602) posted at 2:21 AM on Monday, May 31st, 2021

I'm the BW and I'm trying to figure it out - what I want that is. What do I need? Most of the time it's a hug. I need to be with him, my WH. Remembering how we were before this thing that never should have happened- did happen. It will never make sense for me. I always wanted him, always loved him. So, if you get the chance, try to sincerely understand why you ran over her heart and crushed her. LISTEN to her, when she gets upset - let her vent. You must get it, that you hurt her more than anybody else ever could and how she is feeling about it. From what you wrote it seems like you do understand how you were and how you messed it up. Tell her all of it - if you haven't yet. Deal with all of her feelings about your betrayal. Be the guy that she fell in love with. Will it make it work? I don't know. It takes time - to get through this. Be patient.

M = 43 yrsDDay = March 2020
Me/BS = 62WH = 64
Working on reconciliation, one day at a time.

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Dragonfly123 ( member #62802) posted at 7:38 AM on Monday, May 31st, 2021

I think this has been alluded to on here but I needed to flip the switch on all this a little. Brief history, my WH had a very limerent affair and was one who walked out on our family for the AP. He then had a complete breakdown. This was over three years ago.

We are in a very happy, pretty secure reconciliation. I actually believe there are more of us out there, but we don’t tend to post as often, because we’re just bumbling through life with the infidelity woven into the fabric of our marriages but living the best lives we can. We have moments of pure joy that we wouldn’t have had if we weren’t together and in reconciliation - I appreciate that, I stop and smell the roses.

To do this, I put myself and my needs at the centre of our reconciliation. I know what makes me happy. I’m very clear on that and my reconciliation fulfils most of my requirements. I know clearly that I’m not martyring or settling and that this is my choice and that it brings me the most joy over the alternatives. The deep sadness is there, the grief for both of us is there BUT we show each other grace and compassion and we accept it as part of who we are.

I am also secure in knowing that my WHs affair was not a choice between myself and his AP. I’m not rewriting a narrative, I am absolutely sure this is true. He was extremely ill at the time of his affair and for me it was his inner battle with two sides of himself that was the issue and I believe that to be true for most of these types of affairs. I remember saying to the AP at the time ‘if my husband was well he wouldn’t go near you with a ten foot barge pole’, funny how absolutely right I was.

Yes I was insignificant for a while to him I can’t make that better for myself but she wasn’t significant either, she was more an enabler to a very dark side of himself.

No one was significant at the time apart from himself and that is something he needs to deal with and heal from. I know he feels a great deal of pain over this.

I also look around at other marriages and I feel mine is pretty good overall despite what his actions did to us. We make a great team, we laugh, we have private jokes, we have a super happy family life, I’ll take that.

It does help knowing that he is truly remorseful though. I do not doubt that for a second. He has beaten so many demons and fought his way back to us.

I don’t know if this helps or not but I honestly believe successful reconciliation (alongside authentic remorse from your WS) truly comes from really looking at you and what makes you happy and accepting that and it also helps you let go of any shame you feel for staying with a cheater which I feel prevents so many BS moving forward.

[This message edited by Dragonfly123 at 1:50 AM, May 31st (Monday)]

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Want2BHappyAgain ( member #45088) posted at 5:13 AM on Tuesday, June 1st, 2021

Well said Dragonfly123 .

A "perfect marriage" is just two imperfect people who refuse to give up on each other.

With God ALL things are possible (Matthew 19:26)

I AM happy again...It CAN happen!!!

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 5:21 PM on Tuesday, June 1st, 2021

What sort of relationship does a WS really hope to get from their BS, when they were dissatisfied with enough with the relationship to enter into and conduct an affair, and still present themselves as a family man/woman whilst swimming in a sea of lies and deceit?

I don't think dissatisfaction played a significant role in the reason for the A, and seldom does. If it's an exit A, no reason to try for R. The answer is that my fWW wants a loving and supportive relationship where we share goals, values, and help raise our kids in one household.

What sort of relationship does a BS hope to achieve with a WS when the WS has shown them how insignificant they were to them at some point in time/for a period of time. How can the relationship ever be anything near what we hoped our primary relationship would be when living with broken trust and betrayal.

The trust has to be rebuilt. If it isn't rebuilt you can't have R. Through a series of actions, my fWW has shown that she has built up appropriate boundaries and has shown true remorse for her A. I asked for D, because we were on a path where trust was not being rebuilt. That go corrected. Likewise, I want a loving and supportive relationship with shared goals, values, and raising our kids together in one household.

I have found the thread healing and living with infidelity a very poignant one for me being 3 1/2 years post dday. It saddens my heart to see how much compromising/mental gymnastics a BS seems to have to do to try and make the relationship work and that there is a level of sadness which always seems to remain no matter how far out from dday we become.

Does a WS also carry that ingrained layer of sadness, for what they lost and traded for 'good times'?

Yes, the A causes permanent and irreparable damage to the relationship. There are things that R will not repair or restore. Blind trust/naivete/innocence is lost. I wouldn't call it a permanent level of sadness or disappointment. For me it is a lack of pride. I'm no longer proud of my marriage like I once was. It's a fine marriage, with extremely good communication now. Mutual respect has been restored. It's logistically and materially solid. It's comfortable but we still push each other to improve. I'm just not proud of it.

[This message edited by This0is0Fine at 11:23 AM, June 1st (Tuesday)]

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 6:52 PM on Tuesday, June 1st, 2021

For me it is a lack of pride. I'm no longer proud of my marriage like I once was.

Well said.

Also, I'm not sure my respect for my WW will return to previous levels. I can respect that she's trying on a lot of levels. I can respect the things she always does. But I don't have that deep assumed respect I had before. It always has a conditional background noise behind it.

So it's a lack of "trust falls" type of trust, a lack of overall pride in the relationship and a lack of profound respect. They're not going to return to being a person you admire implicitly, without reservation.

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 8:30 PM on Tuesday, June 1st, 2021

I think a lot of the questions you have are obviously very subjective to each person and marriage.

For me, as the WS yes of course I carry the sadness of what I did to him, to me, to our marriage. But, there has been tremendous growth, reflection, work.

It seems to me that the questions you have are probably not being answered by your husband. Have you asked him? Does he ever bring up the affair or volunteer? Do you discuss what each of you want out of the relationship moving forward?

Everything in life is a choice, and how you decide to frame that choice. I feel like as a WS, I made some terrible choices that I can not take back. My husband has also made some terrible choices he can not take back. I think I can have respect for him, myself, and have pride in our marriage if that's what we both decide to do. But, we have to both decide and work very hard to remove the obstacles that were created by our past decisions. This means making sense of the senseless and acting more intelligently and aware moving forward. Being open, more vulnerable towards each other, being more aware of our own needs and the needs of the other. Showing consistency and proving to one another that we are worth fighting for.

But, I also know that life is very short. If R can not meet the high expectations by showing one another consistency, growth, that we have reflected deeply on ourselves and what we have done to one another - then settling isn't on the menu either. I understand not everyone can get a divorce tomorrow, but if that's the better choice then set you mind on that and work consistently until you can get there.

Maybe you are having a bad day, or maybe your spouse has shown no growth or given you any reason to engage and try. These are answers you have to give to yourself. I can only tell you are worth it and deserve to have everything you want in a relationship. Even moreso, you deserve to love yourself and create the life you want and sometimes that means not being in a relationship at all.

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hikingout ( member #59504) posted at 8:33 PM on Tuesday, June 1st, 2021

Yes I was insignificant for a while to him I can’t make that better for myself but she wasn’t significant either, she was more an enabler to a very dark side of himself.

This is really key.

I think often we think they chose someone over us. When you look closely, that someone was really just themselves. And, by choosing that dark part of themselves, everything everyone wrote about WS betraying themselves is so true.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 9:18 PM on Tuesday, June 1st, 2021

For me it is a lack of pride. I'm no longer proud of my marriage like I once was.

What specifically were you proud of before?

I understand your comment, but if you think of taking pride in actions, what was your action (or inaction?) that you were proud of?

Kind of a deep question actually.

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Shockt ( member #74399) posted at 6:37 PM on Wednesday, June 2nd, 2021

I just want to say how much I appreciate reading all these thoughtful replies to Sunny69's original question about what we hope to get out of reconciliation with a WS. I am a little over a year out from Dday, when I discovered my 70 plus year old husband had been cybersexting with women on line for 2 years and sending them money! Horrible, heinous, shocking behavior. Nothing like that had ever gone on before in our 30 year relationship. We separated immediately for 6 months. He was immediately remorseful and essentially sat with himself and his actions (had a therapist) during that time. Meanwhile I went about my full and previously happy life, detaching without expectation of R or D and reaching out to a therapist and friends and family for support. Over time I began to see that while I didn't NEED him to be happy I did in fact want to be with him if it seemed that he also wanted that and we could come together in an authentic relationship. After 6 months and based on trust building behavior on his part, I took him back. I feel like I took a big risk here - yet I trust myself. That seems what's most important. R is not an easy path after any kind of betrayal. This awful thing that happened will always be a part of the fabric of our relationship. And oh how much we both wish it had never happened. But looking forward I'm hopeful that our relationship will grow stronger - knowing it will never be the same as before the betryal.

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 7:21 PM on Wednesday, June 2nd, 2021

How can the relationship ever be anything near what we hoped our primary relationship would be when living with broken trust and betrayal.

You've hit on an aspect that repeatedly troubles me. When I read of successful reconciliation stories, you'll sometimes see the repeated claim of "stronger, better."

I suppose it's just the cynic in me, but it seems to me that when one drills down on this claim, it often turns out to means the new marriage is "level-set"

In other words, "stronger, better" is qualitatively better than perhaps the marriage that came before (because that marriage was essentially a shit show).

But for those who were in a good marriage before infidelity (that a consensus would agree was a good marriage, and we now know thanks to widespread knowledge that infidelity happens in good marriages all the time) "stronger, better" turns out to be "the things one should reasonably expect in a normal and healthy marriage."

I find myself struggling with this as the expectation -- because for me, I expect extra. I expect more. If I'm signing up for R, shouldn't what I get as an outcome be actually "stronger, better" than the normal marriage I had before?

And if it's not, then what's the actual value-add for me?

Yes, I'm being selfish here. I think all BS's should be extremely selfish after D-Day.

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