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 Beagle (original poster member #79560) posted at 5:30 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

At this point I don’t care anymore. I’m just numb. Trying to keep my head up

Beagle

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WalkingHome ( member #72857) posted at 6:04 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Brace yourself, this will get a lot worse along the path to being ok.


She had sex. You know it and she knows it.


The woman you thought you were married to was an illusion. This is who she really is and always was. She was perfectly content to lie to you, cheat on you, and hurt you. That is proven, not theory. That is who she is. Never forget that. It is hard reality that you had to learn via pain. Don't have to learn it twice...


Now, as to a way out- You have some serious decisions to make and they are not easy. There is no 100% right answer. You will have to make a call that is lose/lose...just less losing than other options. It is a question of which is the best least bad option. That's not your fault and you can't fix it. It is her fault and it can't be undone.


To get full truth-

1. Demand a full timeline, X rated, with dates/times/locations.

2. Demand to know exactly how they communicated, numbers, email addresses, Kid, Whatsapp, Fbook...and so on. Demand full copies of all messages and photos. Tell her to never delete anything ever again.

3. After this, tell her she will be polygraphed on all of the above and any lies will be Divorce. She will argue that polygraphs are unreliable. They are not...the CIA uses them for a reason.

4. Get copies of all finances, debt, credit card statements. Ask how she funded all this.

5. Enable location on her phone where you can see it.

6. Expose to relatives, hers and yours. She has to do this.

7. No sex, no cuddling. Don't reward bad behavior.

8. Get ready to leave her. Figure out what you need, where you will go, find a lawyer and meet with him to go over your options. This is important as there likely will come a point where you need to pull this trigger.

Lastly, it hurts to stay hard and hold the line...but it's the only way out of the mess you are in. If you get weak, you get hurt more.


Good luck.

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Chaos ( member #61031) posted at 6:21 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

So many clichés here straight from the Cheater's Handbook. The more you read around SI the more you will come to realize that.

I'm with others - there is far more to this story. And I'm sure that meeting for "lunch" was more than just "lunch".

IMHO - if you go the polygraph route - expect a "parking lot confession". You'll most likely get more information in hopes you cancel the test. If you book it - go through with it.

You've gotten excellent advice here. I'll throw in- make sure you take care of yourself. Don't skimp on the basics- food, hydration, rest (sleep my be impossible but you can try to rest), basic hygiene. Talk to your GP if you need help (no shame there) and keep your IC appointments.

Stick around. Keep reading and posting. You are not alone.

BS-me/WH-4.5yrLTA Married 2+ decades-2 adult children. Multiple DDays w/same LAP until I told OBS 2018- Cease & Desist sent spring 2021 "Hello–My name is Chaos–You f***ed my husband-Prepare to Die!"

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BluerThanBlue ( member #74855) posted at 7:14 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Beagle, we've pelted you with a ton of advice, so I just want to say that you have been heard, we understand what you're going through, and it will get better at some point. Don't focus on what will happen months or years from now, or even tomorrow or next week. Just get through each day minute by minute, hour by hour.

Do you have anyone you trust and feel comfortable enough to confide in?

BW, 40s

Divorced WH in 2015; now happily remarried

I edit my comments a lot for spelling, grammar, typos, etc.

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Hurtmyheart ( member #63008) posted at 7:54 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

The woman you thought you were married to was an illusion. This is who she really is and always was. She was perfectly content to lie to you, cheat on you, and hurt you. That is proven, not theory. That is who she is. Never forget that. It is hard reality that you had to learn via pain. Don't have to learn it twice...

I agree with this 100%. We get where you are.

My deceased WH was the same, all the way up until his death in 2020. He put me through A LOT! Lots of lieing, trickle truth, manipulations, flirting with OW right in front of me, long term affairs, one night stands... I still tried to hang on, despite who he really was. I didn't want to believe that he was someone he wasn't capable of being; a faithful, honest, loving husband. It wasn't in his cards to be that way and it doesn't sound like your WW is either.

You sound like you are pretty young still and can have another chance at a good life but maybe without her, unless she is truly willing to do the difficult work to make a difference. If not, better to let her go then to try to make something work which isn't meant to be.

Was there ever any red flags before your marriage and when you were dating?

Just know that this is a very horrible time that you are going through. It won't last forever and especially when you make your mind up on what you want to do. I've read on multiple occasions that when the BS (Betrayed Spouse) takes action quickly they immediately find relief.

Now that I'm on the other side of this, I feel in most cases R isn't such a great idea, especially when it comes to a serial cheater. I would never ever accept this treatment (even if it happened just once) ever again. I know that I can't tolerate it anymore, even small doses of disrespect from other people can be too much for mebto want to deal with. Not that people have to walk on eggshells around me, I just don't need that treatment ever again. My WH filled those shoes of being abusive quite well when he was alive.

Remember, tough times never last but tough people do. You've got this.

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HalfTime2017 ( member #64366) posted at 8:30 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Beagle, I'm sorry you found yourself here, in a club no one wants to be a part of.

I've often said, the damage down from an affair gets way worst and I would say at least for myself, the damage down after you get caught is what kills the marriage and trust. Trickle Truth diminishes any of the trust that is left b/c you had no reason not to believe your spouse prior to the affair was found out. Once its found out, you lose a ton of trust, but our hearts still want to believe.

Well, Trickle Truth kills any trust left in a marriage and I understand how you feel. If you believe this is a deal breaker, don't sit on the fence for too long. There are many of us who have D'd with younger children and moved on to way better lives. Even if it doesnt seem that way for you right now.

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 Beagle (original poster member #79560) posted at 9:01 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

So I got me letter. Turns out there were multiple people she has been setting and flirting with. She then put in the letter that in 2018 she had unprotected sex with an agency employee two times at his home. Jesus

Beagle

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guvensiz ( member #75858) posted at 9:12 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

You're married to a serial cheater. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. She will try to give the impression that she is telling the whole truth to keep you from asking more. Don't buy this and ask for polygraph. But if what you know is enough for you, just run.

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Buster123 ( member #65551) posted at 9:16 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Confirmed SERIAL CHEATER, RUN !!!

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BigMammaJamma ( member #65954) posted at 9:51 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

I'm sorry, Beagle. It hurts so bad and its so disorienting. It's okay to not be okay right now. Please do your future self a favor and make sure you are drinking water and getting some calories in you. You need your wits about you and your mental acuity will be greatly impacted if you are not taking care of your basic needs.

It sucks so bad, but it doesn't suck forever. You will be okay again, but it may be a little bit.

Me- born in 1984Him- born in 1979We both have 2 kids from previous marriages and we share a four year old. I might be a BS, but at this point, I don't know if I'll ever know.

Update: As of 5/8/2020, my WH confirmed I belong in this club

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BoundaryBuilder ( member #78439) posted at 9:53 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

she had unprotected sex with an agency employee two times at his home

Beagle, this is awful. Not only is she a serial cheater, but she's been screwing around at work. Short sighted, selfish, DANGEROUS behavior ON TOP of cruel lying/infidelity to you, her husband. Was she the supervisor of this employee? If so, add sexual harassment dynamics to her list of messed up behaviors. As many have said, this is just the top of the iceberg. There is more to the sexting and flirting than she admits too. Perhaps she's admitting the ONE PA from 2018 and denying the others because if she's been screwing others during the timeline you mentioned, she would have to admit putting your young children at risk by fooling around with randos during the height of covid. So not only STD risk for you, but it's possible she put your entire family at risk for covid exposure. I'm angry on your behalf! How self centered.... and stupid. So sorry. You've received some great advice. Hang in there. I will add - PTSD is real. Trickle truth contributes to the trauma. Over and over again each time a new truth is revealed. This repeated trauma takes a toll, and your mind and body will suffer. Please take care of yourself and keep up the IC.

[This message edited by BoundaryBuilder at 10:21 PM, Friday, November 5th]

Married 34 years w/one adult daughter
ME:BW
HIM: 13 month texting EA with high school X who fished him on Facebook 43 years later
PA=15 days spread over final 3 months
D-Day=April 21, 2018
Reconciled

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Thumos ( member #69668) posted at 10:03 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

First, understand that every wayward wife minimizes several steps back from the truth. So if it was a full-on physical affair, they will step back to just giving oral (why they think this helps is beyond me, but they do), If they admit to just kissing, you can practically take it to the bank they were providing oral. If they say they were just sexting, they were in all likelihood screwing. Women will not put themselves in proximity or circumstance with a man where sex is likely on the table unless they want it to be on the table and want it to happen. Adults do not futz around like junior high school students mooning over each other. They have sex. It only takes hours for a one night stand to develop. Your wife was with this man for many months.

Keep that in mind. I see that she has confirmed the more you already suspected. I hate to say this, but even with these more recent admissions, there is probably more. Given your wife has now admitted to sexting with no fewer than two men (and let's be honest, there are probably more) and having sex with at least one (and there were probably more) then we should unfortunately place her in the category of a serial cheater. Serial cheaters typically do not "get better" - there is usually not a light at the end of the tunnel. They are notorious repeat offenders who will violate your boundaries again and again. They are not good reconciliation material.

Please for your own sanity and physical health, get out now. See a divorce attorney, start the filing process. It takes awhile. You need to be in a place of safety, literally and figuratively, away from this woman. Unfortunately your wife is an abuser. You need to be removed from the abuse.

Third, don't waste your time with a marriage counselor. After infidelity occurs, marital counseling (at least in the short and medium term) does more harm than good. It is mostly focused on "saving the marriage." But after infidelity, the old marriage is torn asunder and dead. So typically MC will pressure rugsweeping and enable blameshifing onto you. Don't do it.

I learned that my wife had an affair which started in the summer of 2020 and ended of February of 2021.

So we're talking about at least half a year, if not longer?

I always like putting this into perspective for a newly-betrayed spouse. That's a minimum of about 160 days -- or even more viscerally 3,840 hours, or 230,400 minutes -- of deception.

You have to really think about that, and I know you will and I know you are. But what this means is that your wife was willing to stone-cold lie to your face, or while asleep in the night allow this horrific deception to continue, as each minute of these months ticked by, hour after hour after hour.

She had to make a very conscious choice to do this. She had to will it into being. She had to think about it hard repeatedly. And each minute that ticked by, she continued to make choices to deceive you and pursue other men. She had to take a lot of complicated and perilous steps forward to have sex with other men. She did so.

She could have at any time asked herself whether what she was doing was wrong and stopped it. She didn't do this for merely a few hours (like a one-night stand) or even only for 168 hours, which would be bad enough (that's one week). Think of the mental and physical dedication it takes to LIE to your face for even 168 hours. No, that would be bad enough. Instead she multiplied that dedication to lying to you TWENTYFOLD, while carrying out seedy sex acts (even the sexting qualifies as rapacious and disgusting) that put your sanity and actual life at risk (from STDs she could be carrying around as I write this in her body).

I write this so you can become to come to grips with who your wife really is. She isn't the person you admired. She is this person, right in front of you. This is who she is. And who is she? Well, we know for sure she's exactly the kind of person who would choose a sleazebag over her husband, multiple sleazebags if her story is to be believed, then scheme to be penetrated by them, then lie to your face about all of it day after day after day stretching on for months -- even as she carried around the DNA of other men inside her.

I don't write this to add to your pain, but rather to do what George Orwell exhorted us, and the thing which is very important to do when you've been betrayed: "To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle."

What he meant was that you have to keep looking at a thing or a person as it or they REALLY are, not how you wish they would be or imagined they were. You have to keep looking until you are able with clarity to see that thing right in front of your nose.

You're in pain and shock. We've all been there. It's like being lost in a blizzard. The only thing you can do right now is trudge forward bent against the wind. Take action now. That includes seeing a divorce attorney as soon as you possibly can. I wouldn't waste a lot of time trying to talk to her or get more information at this stage.

You've been given a good to-do list by others. Read that over and start moving forward. One thing you should do this weekend is to go to BestBuy and get yourself a VAR, the $50-60 SONY. Set it up with a good memory card, then keep it in your pocket from here on out for EVERY SINGLE INTERACTION you have with your wife. It's legal in most states to record in person conversations without the other party knowing, but check with an attorney. We recommend this because it is insurance against false domestic violence charges. Wayward wives are notorious for filing false DV charges against faithful husbands as a custody/divorce gambit when they realize their world is crumbling in front of them.

Don't ignore this last piece of advice.

[This message edited by Thumos at 10:08 PM, Friday, November 5th]

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

BH: 50, WW: 49 Wed: Feb.'96 DDAY1: 12.20.16 DDAY2: 12.23.19

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Repossessed ( member #79544) posted at 10:11 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Beagle, I'm going to be very unimaginative and copy/paste what I wrote another BH. The most important component to your life is your psyche. This most effective salve to apply to a mental/emotional wound is forceful action. Consider this as you read on...

What measure can you take to seize back your narrative, your story without blowing everything up, if that's what has you shackled. For my part, its the question I agonized over many years, and with hindsight, I am now certain of what I'd like to have done some 5+ years ago. Divorce her and stay in house for the moment.

The boldness, and sheer force of the act serves multiple purposes. You reclaim some semblance of your dignity by the shock and awe of your forceful action. Serving her fires a clear shot across her bow. She's now on notice that you are no doormat who will capitulate to the pathetic manipulations of lovebombing. The legal detangling while remaining in-house puts you in proximity to her and your watchful eye. And, unlike often advised physical separation, you satisfy your appetite for knowing what she's up to in real time (your need for this will dissipate over time).

You can decide on anything else later as the circumstances warrant. Divorce with separation, or reconciliation will come down to what you observe in her behavior down the line, and how you feel about yourself then.

How you feel about yourself is the all important thing that needs tending to.

[This message edited by Repossessed at 10:11 PM, Friday, November 5th]

Here to keep myself mindful that I don't always see what actually is. I certainly didn't when I married her.

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J0ck ( member #47763) posted at 10:21 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Polygraph time mate

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 10:23 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

I'm sure you are reeling. Unable to concentrate or focus on anything.

Please take some time for yourself to heal and lean on any real life support network you have. You are going through a traumatic, life-changing experience. While all the advice here is great, take it at whatever pace you are able to, and be kind to yourself. You will make it out the other side stronger and wiser.

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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 Beagle (original poster member #79560) posted at 10:25 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

In my mind I am shocked. I keep reading these posts and thinking this can be worked out. But that is the fool in me. How does one do this to someone. Unprotected sex with a man. Our boy had just turned one. It’s absolutely crazy.

Beagle

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WontBeFooledAgai ( member #72671) posted at 10:29 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Beagle, I really hate to be the one to bring up this possibility, but surely, you have to have considered this yourself: Are you positive that you are the biological father of your son?

Meanwhile YES you need to protect yourself. There are far far too many stories on here where the BH was too soft on the WW and agreed to 'work it out' with her, only to find that after a period of her running around like a scalded cat trying to appease BH, she backslid further into her cheating ways. These stories are simply heartwrenching, the WW will not/cannot give up her AP. And yet probably due to all the Sunken Costs put in, the BH is hopelessly devoted to saving the marriage and is swallowing all this disrespect and doing The Pick-me Dance.

Your WW needs to do what she can to be a safe partner first before you can even consider working things out.

[This message edited by WontBeFooledAgai at 10:53 PM, Friday, November 5th]

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guvensiz ( member #75858) posted at 10:54 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Add DNA test to to do list.

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 10:58 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

Although the pain is the same for bs the behavior of the ws is all over the place. Everyone wants their ws to be remorseful. Some are, some aren’t. The ws that I think are bad bets are the ones out trolling. Your wife has been trolling. There is something broken in her. It’s up to you if you think things can be fixed but she brought that personality into her adult life.
I hope you are looking after your health. If you can’t eat or sleep a doctor can prescribe something to get you through the worst of it.
Remember that chronic stress sets up chronic illnesses. Look after yourself.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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Grace8At8Tab ( new member #74459) posted at 11:02 PM on Friday, November 5th, 2021

This is my first reply since I joined the site. All I wanted was read posts that could help me in my journey as a betrayed spouse. But your situation somehow compelled me to share an opinion.

Multiple APs usually point to a mental disorder, usually Borderline Personality Disorder. It's very common to WSs who happens to be serial adulterers. It's a difficult disorder to get a handle on and completely recover from. And the way she's trickle truthing you, this centipede has quite a few more shoes to drop.

If what happened to you happened to a brother or a close friend, what would you advise?

Good luck. I was in your shoes not more than a year ago. You're about to face the most difficult experience of your life. Several times harder than the death of your childhood caregiver.

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